@ianwalker There's a certain lack of self awareness there. But we'd expect that - how often do we see motorists dissing cyclists of pedestrians for acting exactly how they act themselves? It's a familiar story in that sense.

@cabd @ianwalker I think you need to treat drivers as addicts (that haven't realised they are addicts it's a bad thing) in your brain when having a discussion about driving less.

@jnbhlr @ianwalker Yeah, maybe. Although even if you're not discussing that, getting folk to acknowledge basic human decency in such discussions is weirdly hard. You'll mention you found a rabbit that had been winged by a car and had to euthanise it, they'll start ultra-defensively telling you about how they flattened a cat and it's just a thing and there's nothing they can do. I think they know, I think at a level they get it...