@ownlife Yeah, I agree. Tell you a quick story, though, about natural talent. My youngest son has the most amazing hand-eye coordination. Once, when he was in his teens, I saw him throw pebble after pebble in the air and hit each one consistently dead-centre with a broom handle. That was talent, so, through school we bought him kit after kit for ALL the 'stick' sports. Trouble was, there was no effort required so he gave up after making first team. "It's boring," he'd say.