sj_zeroI'm of two minds in this regard. On one hand, the people who are pushing for "a growing economy" usually are worried about rich people's yacht money. OTOH, the economy makes things like the ways we feed ourselves, and the way we heat our homes, and other stuff we need to not die.
It seems like too many people are focused on the evils of the former without considering the evils of harming the latter. Having to choose between freezing to death and starving to death isn't a good place to be.
JasmineExcept for the fact that people are already doing that. Capitalism is cruel and barbaric. Our species survived 295,000 years prior to the advent of money. 5,000 short years later, capitalism has destroyed our planet. Money is the root of all evil and the cause of our extinction.
midwayIf you think capitalism is cruel and barbaric, try talking to someone who lived under communism.
Money is simply an efficient means of exchange. That’s it. Money doesn’t cause anything. People’s pursuit of money can cause all sorts of things. Sure, we could go back to bartering. I hope you have skills to produce things that your local stores need though. Otherwise, you’re SOL. That’s what money actually is. It’s just a means to take unmatched skills and allow people to trade.
Money is simply an efficient means of exchange. That’s it. Money doesn’t cause anything. People’s pursuit of money can cause all sorts of things. Sure, we could go back to bartering. I hope you have skills to produce things that your local stores need though. Otherwise, you’re SOL. That’s what money actually is. It’s just a means to take unmatched skills and allow people to trade.
Astrid den Distel@midway @dbattistella @MysticaRose @sj_zero Capitalism pur sang is just as cruel. It just does not work without any limiting tunes and entities.
Just like the other ideologies don't work on itself. They are models, not a workable reality.
Just like the other ideologies don't work on itself. They are models, not a workable reality.
@dbattistella @MysticaRose @sj_zero @tureldriet
I never claimed any system was perfect. Any system involving people at scale will have issues.
That being said far more people when given a choice choose systems more aligned to capitalism than communism. History has shown this quite clearly.
It’s fair to argue about what tweaks we should make to a capitalist based system. You may want more, I may want less. Those are value based arguments and values are subjective. But communism belongs in a dumpster fire. You are starting from a ridiculous premise that doesn’t work at scale.
I never claimed any system was perfect. Any system involving people at scale will have issues.
That being said far more people when given a choice choose systems more aligned to capitalism than communism. History has shown this quite clearly.
It’s fair to argue about what tweaks we should make to a capitalist based system. You may want more, I may want less. Those are value based arguments and values are subjective. But communism belongs in a dumpster fire. You are starting from a ridiculous premise that doesn’t work at scale.