It's the damndest thing...

When I was growing up, they made me say a pledge every day that said "liberty and justice for all."

They taught me "the golden rule."

They sent me to church to learn about a guy who said we should help the poor and the sick, we should show love to each other.

They told me that "but everyone else is doing it" wasn't an excuse for my own bad behavior.

And now when I advocate for the things that they taught me, they call me a socialist or a communist.

@usdosp
Why did any of us agree to chant that stupid pledge every morning like a bad scene from an Orwell novel?

The Pledge of Allegiance is a loyalty oath, and a loyalty oath has no place in a free country. If the state wants our loyalty, it should earn it by doing things that benefit the masses.

Most of the rest of the world thinks the Pledge is [bad word] weird. We're the only ones that can't see that because we're the targets of this indoctrination.

@tofugolem @usdosp +9001%

People who pledge allegiance to a flag and not values are bad - period!

@kkarhan @tofugolem @usdosp While I agree, I should point out that it's not the OP's point.

@oclsc @kkarhan @tofugolem

I donno - in a way maybe it kinda is?

They engaged in performative patriotism and performative christianity, then get upset when someone took it seriously.

@usdosp @kkarhan @tofugolem But it seemed to me that you had more than the single oath in mind, and more than just the flag. Even that silly oath (I thought it was silly too when I had to say it) mentions the nation as well as the piece of cloth, and the principle of liberty and justice for all that has long been honoured more in the breach than in the observance in both my countries of citizenship.

@oclsc @usdosp @kkarhan
I was talking specifically about the oath, but the oath, and flag worship, and the other stuff are all part of the same indoctrination process.

Most Americans seem to be unaware that we are among the most indoctrinated people on Earth. Since all we know is indoctrination, and few of us travel to free countries, I guess that's understandable, but surely people can recognize the inherent hypocrisy of a loyalty oath in a supposedly free country.

@tofugolem @usdosp @kkarhan I was lucky to be raised by 1960s lefties.