Why The U.S. Hates Roundabouts

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What do you think is in general the better solution?

(not every case ofc!)

Traffic lights
22.9%
Roundabouts
77.1%
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@stux
Low speeds and light traffic: 60km/h and below - roundabouts.
Higher speeds and heavier traffic: traffic lights.

@Azt3c In the Netherlands often highways get funneled into a smaller road and at some point to a roundabout!  that also works :D

but yeah, that seems better

@stux depends on the implementation. @flowere likes roundabouts in some countries and hates in others :)
@stux As a cyclist, not a fan of traffic lights but it's only the detection coils I take issue with. But I know roundabouts confuse many navel gazers, so it's not quite straightforward.
@stux A lot of accidents happen on roundabouts. A lot less with traffic lights.
@jurjen1973 @stux the data shows exactly the opposite of what you claim.

@jurjen1973 @stux

And you have these statistics from where?

Did you watch the video? Did you see the stats on how many fewer FATAL accidents there were?

@MaryPot @stux I see it every day in real life as a cyclist. How is that for statistics! ☺️
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@jurjen1973 @stux

Both drivers were able to get out of their cars by themselves. Not by far fatal.

Are you just to lazy to actually watch the video???

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@stux
[x] depends on the location
@stux as a cyclist, roundabouts are about the most terrifying - luckily there are bike lanes on the two I regularly pass. I don’t think I’d trust the drivers to see me otherwise.
@nic Good point! In the Netherlands there are only 2 provinces where bikes have priority over cars on roundabouts, in all other provinces the bikes need to wait
@stux We have a horrible traffic light system nearby, and I feel it would be much better if they changed it to a roundabout. You always get people racing to the lights, hoping it's green, but it's almost always red and has caused many accidents.
@stux As a "Mini Motorways"-Player I have to say: It depends. 
@stux Is public transit a write-in option?
@cautionwip  that wouldn't be fair! It would win easily! 😇

@stux In America, I feel like no one here knows how to drive through them. Makes sense, it was never taught in Driver’s Ed when I grew up. I learned how to drive through roundabouts via the now defunct Ambuchannel 112.

I feel like 100% of the time around roundabouts, I have to be cautious of other drivers. Even when I’m inside the roundabout and have right of way. Then again, I’ve seen near miss accidents on freeway onramps that have a yield sign because apparently people don’t know how to yield either ;-;

@stux Banning cars. Pedestrians and cyclists don't need these things.
@Noordkaapfujin @stux For those that are able to walk or cycle I agree.
@Caddi @stux And for those who can't, we should develop real solutions.

@stux

Roundabouts are awesome when people know how to use them to keep traffic flowing. But people are kumquats.

@JadziaBenntley @stux And then there is that variant... the roundabout that has become too busy to work properly, so that traffic lights have been added.

People often criticise roundabouts because there ARE accidents on them, however they are not usually as bad as when someone runs a red light and wipes out someone coming the other way.

@stevechampion @stux

Absolutely, Roundabouts slow traffic down yet keep it moving. Lights have all sorts of issues.

I'm pretty sure studies have shown that Roundabouts are many times more efficient, as long as people use them properly.

I thunk I actually get more frustrated at Roundabouts than Lights because I'm like "you could have gone 8 times dickhead"

You need to watch the whole roundabout, not just the car you're technically meant to give way to.

@stux
In the US, there is also the four way stop to consider.
@stux I'm more a fan of roundabouts as when there is no traffic cars can be sat pumping out fumes for no reason. Of course another solution is smart traffic lights (or fewer cars).
@stux I'd say roundabouts with separated bike lanes going around, and pedestrian and bike crossings at every entry/exit, maybe speed bumps too
@stux one of the big problems with traffic lights is where there’s too much inconsistency of traffic over the interconnecting roads. If the road that takes priority over your road is busy but the one that takes priority of that is quiet, it doesn’t matter how busy your road is, you can be stuck without the right to enter the roundabout.
@stux in the UK they put traffic lights on roundabouts

@stux it depends on the situation. On quieter roads the answer is definitely roundabouts, because it keeps the traffic flowing. On busy intersections, traffic lights are probably safer.

There is an issue with roundabouts and cyclists though; I'm aware of one roundabout not far from me (Drenewydd, Powys, the McDonald's junction) which was changed to traffic lights, and I'm told it was because the roundabout was too dangerous for cyclists. It was better for cars as a roundabout.

@stux I think, it depends on the situation, but not every intersection needs traffic lights...

@stux

That poll should be asked separately to car drivers and pedestrians...

@stux My elderly parents can’t get out of their driveway onto a busy roadway because roundabouts never leave a pause in oncoming traffic from either side
@stux Single lane roundabouts seem ok but multilane roundabouts seem horrible to me from experience. I'm not used to roundabouts in my area (being in Toronto) but got caught up in the inner lane of a roundabout when on a trip. Took me like 5 times fully around and around till I could get back to the outer lane. Was almost in an accident. I prefer traffic lights in general.

@stux it really depends on the situation and implementation.

Most roundabouts in the UK are designated for maximum speed and flow of car traffic. Which when trying to navigate as not car traffic is utterly hostile.

@stux 8000-lb vehicles cannot easily turn at 75 mph. Nor can drivers manage the contents of a 50-piece McNuggets and a 64-oz soda or latte under high centrifugal loads.

Roundabouts will severly curtail pedestrian mortality, unduly burden our pension and healthcare systems, and flood our high schools and colleges with high enrollments, while bankrupting the makers of miniature caskets and cremation urns.

@stux As a pedestrian, traffic lights, please! Roundabouts are designed to keep traffic moving without stopping, which is only great if you're part of the flow of traffic. For pedestrians, they just take up extra space & mean that drivers are less likely to be watching for you trying to cross in front of them.
@stux I would like to submit my late vote for "Head-On Collisions at Speed."
@stux
I miss mass transit, cycling and walking amongst the options
@lena_be_a_saint

@stux Not to exaggerate... but I truly think a huge amount of America's problem policing is actually partly to do with the lack of roundabouts!

The constant need for cross sections with either lights or stop signs, even when at very small sites with little traffic, creates a constant climate of low level rule breaking where people roll through because it doesn't seem to matter.

That in turn creates endless opportunities for pretextual traffic stops, often for biased reasons!

@stux For most countries, I am fully in favor of roundabouts, but I am American, and I know that by and large, they will not work here. I know this was touched on lightly in the video, but Americans are idiots. In Europe, you can easily live a car-free lifestyle, but in America, you do not have that choice. Here everyone needs a car, so the average skill/confidence level on the road is nonexistent compared to Europe. This is a problem that needs a holistic infrastructural and cultural solution.