MorganSounds like someone hasn't heard of this One Cool Trick (lesbianism)
Dan SeitzI'm a cis man and I've been hearing masculinity is "in crisis" since I was eight. So far as I can tell the "crisis" is "I can't act like an asshole anymore."
Robert Mader@Dseitz @raphaelmorgan AFAICS that's unfortunately not what the data we have tells us. Boys falling behind ever more in education is something we should have started to address 30 years ago - it's only got worse since in most OECD countries. Gender gaps of any nature getting bigger is nothing we should simply ignore or laugh off. And blaming it on boys (read: kids) is probably not helping either :/
@rmader @Dseitz I don't think anyone here is blaming it on children. But I would guess that if girls are getting educated more than boys, it might have to do with the fact that women only get as much respect as men (hardly) if they're educated--perhaps boys aren't working as hard on their education because they know they don't really have to.
Black women are the most educated demographic in the US and I *guarantee* it is not due to any ease or privilege in their education.
Black women are the most educated demographic in the US and I *guarantee* it is not due to any ease or privilege in their education.
@raphaelmorgan @Dseitz "Black women are the most educated demographic in the US" This appears to be a misunderstanding: https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/no-black-women-are-not-the-most-educated-group-in-the-us/
Black women still have less degrees than whites and asians, both women and men.
In fact the data to me looks like the black community is simply the worst affected by the widening gender gap in education - which would be somewhat expected if we're dealing with a structural issue. And that would IMO speak against your theory.
I wasn't talking about kids, unless we're talking about grown men acting like children.
@Dseitz @raphaelmorgan I was referring to the fact that boys already do worse in education than girls before they had the chance to become grown men. So there's likely something bad going on that can not be fully blamed on the affected group. Thus there's a responsibility for the rest of us to check if we can do better (especially as education is usually a public matter). Note intersectionality seems to play a role here: the effect appears to be especially strong in disprivileged groups.
And I wasn't talking about that. Not being an asshole has nothing to do with your level of education.
You're trying to change the subject. I don't know why. But it's not helpful and it's not appreciated.
@Dseitz @raphaelmorgan Lets recapitulate:
1. you were referring to an article that explicitly refers to education as an area of "crisis" for men.
2. you said from your perspective you don't see that / you only see something else (IIUC).
3. I said the data we have on education supports the argument of the author and contradicts your position.
IMO this is perfectly on topic. In short again: the available data suggests your personal experience doesn't reflect the factual situation at large.
I don't care about your opinion. Learn to take a hint.
@Dseitz @raphaelmorgan The issue is: you have made a _public_ statement, based solely on personal experience, that is, at least partly, contradicted by widely established data. Doing so and then asking to not get challenged on that is not cool.