Mx. Amadi LovelaceDec 29, 2022
Reminding leftists once again that their car free walkable utopian ideals are ableist and exclusionary, and that they need to:
a) prioritize accessibility, not walkability;
b) listen to disabled people;
c) think inclusively rather than starting from a premise that removes some people from their vision;
d) listen to disabled people;
e) listen to disabled people.
Show threadFardels BearDec 29, 2022
@amaditalks I disagree with your basic premise. I've never seen any plans for liveable cities that exclude or limit access for the disabled. If anything, such 'utopian' ideals are far more likely to include enhanced access. And why the 'leftist' snark? You're tilting at the wrong windmill - the RW petrolheads are over there.
Show threadMx. Amadi Lovelace
@riggbeck this is a specifically leftist problem, because leftists are the ones who are excluding disabled people from their planning and their ideas entirely and in fact, they are “walkable“ utopias are not accessible, let alone “enhanced access“ at all. Disabled people have been talking about this for years and we are not being heard at all. We’re constantly being told we don’t know what we’re talking about or we’re mad at the wrong people and I’m tired of it.
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Show threadNathanael NerodeDec 29, 2022

@amaditalks @riggbeck

If you're referring to the people who were promoting stair-dependent rowhouses, you have a point.

Most of the rail & bus & public transit activists I know, on the other hand... have been pushing hard for rollable cities. HARD. Strong, large, disabled contingent in this advocacy.

Show threadMx. Amadi LovelaceDec 29, 2022
@neroden @riggbeck Rollable also doesn’t equal accessible. This is yet another assumption of what disability looks like and what disabled people need, and whose disabled voice should be a part of the discussion.
Show threadNathanael NerodeDec 31, 2022

@amaditalks @riggbeck

I mean, accessible is the sum of a lot of things. I'm currently trying to get doctor's offices to practice INFECTION CONTROL so that immunocompromised people can go to the doctor safely -- that's accessbility too.

But you've made an allegation without facts in evidence, which is just slander.

If you think the walkable utopias aren't accessible, you have to give examples and explain what you're claiming -- because the advocates *I* know are working on accessible utopias.

Show threadMx. Amadi LovelaceDec 31, 2022
@neroden You know, you could've chosen to engage in good faith or ask for further clarifications about what I'm speaking of and my experiences, but you chose instead to make a completely false and defamatory allegation and be aggressive, so you've lost the privilege of engaging here. Be a better human being in the future.
Show threadNathanael NerodeDec 31, 2022

@amaditalks

You know, you could've chosen to engage in good faith too. You started off completely aggressive, denouncing all "walkable utopias". I would have been very interested to hear about what you were speaking of and gave you *multiple openings to clarify*, but instead you opened with false and defamatory accusations, which you doubled down on.

Be a better human being in the future.

You get back what you give out.

Show threadNathanael NerodeDec 31, 2022

@amaditalks

If you want the privilege of engaging, you can delete your initial, *content-free*, post and start over. I'm willing to start with a blank slate if you are.

I'm disabled. My partner's totally disabled. I've been campaigning on many very specific access issues for years. "Listen to disabled people", you say. Well, you could start by listening to me.

Show threadMx. Amadi LovelaceDec 31, 2022
@neroden so not only are you engaging in blatant DARVO, you failed at basic reading comprehension. Fuck off.
Show threadNathanael NerodeDec 31, 2022

@amaditalks

OK, as far as I'm concerned you're the one who failed basic reading comprehension.

I'm sorry you're completely unable to communicate and have resorted to DARVO and meaningless abuse, but it's good to know you aren't worth listening to.

I'll keep on advocating for accessibility. Good to know you're not an actual advocate or ally, just someone who wants to hurl abuse. I'll spend my time on actual advocacy.

Bye.

Show threadAngry_gramDec 29, 2022
@amaditalks @riggbeck I can’t help but wonder where you come up with the notion that this is a leftist problem.
Show threadMx. Amadi LovelaceDec 29, 2022
@Mmerrikin @riggbeck because only leftists care about creating walkable car free spaces as a future ideal.
Show threadSherri G., PhD ♿🌈Dec 29, 2022

@amaditalks

The idea that folks on the left can't exclude is harmful. Intentions don't matter. Exclusion is exclusion and a fatal flaw to many utopian design. Most of these conversations about walkable designs have excluded the voices of the wide array of disabled folks who need to be part of a real inclusive design process or once again this utopia will only be one for non disabled people and disabled ones who can make it around barriers. Exclusion is discrimination.