Professor ZodiraThe urge to buy Substance 3D Modeler is strong. AUGH!
Jeff Thompson@Zodira I'm going to get a license to Marvelous Designer this year. Woosh goes the moneyz.
@myth I have debated getting that to make clothing for Second Life and other storefronts. I just dislike the subscription model. But might try it regardless and see. Obviously if I make munny using it I can afford the sub lol
Have you used it before?
My current 3D workflow is Blender+Substance Painter/Designer
@Zodira They have a free 30 day trial. You can also get 3 months at 50% off after that. They have a 30% sale on the yearly subscription through the 31st (I believe) for $196 for the year.
I'm interesting in doing clothing for #vrchat avatar's, so that's how I'll justify the spend to myself. :) Either way it's another useful skill to learn!
@myth I know little of VRChat. Iv tried it a few times but I lack VR for PC. I only have PSVR lol.
So there is a bit of fomo.
Does VRChat have attachment points for Avatars now or do you need to modify in unity for each outfit still?
@Zodira It's all still Unity based. The easiest time being when clothes are made for a specific base so that you can just align on the bones. Even then there is quite often additional work to deal with penetrations, etc.
The most advanced avatar I've seen so far, has a nice interface in Unity for choose what you want with your avatar when you export it. It's pretty impressive: https://camsaviis.gumroad.com/l/CamsRemi
Remi
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@myth Saved that for later. Thank you!
Though in my search for potential alternatives to Marvelous I found brief mention of part of their terms disallowing resale of the clothing itself. I cant seem to find their terms on their site to actually confirm though.
@myth Wait just found the terms XD
@myth Glanced through them. They dont seem to make mention regarding what you may or maynot do with what you create with the software other than saying the provided avatar may not be redistributed.
Could be this isint the terms i'm looking for or they were modified since that comment I read. Possible as the comment is 4 years old.
Figure I will contact them just incase when I get around to buying clothing software.
@Zodira I do know that a lot of #vrchat content creators use #MarvelousDesigner to create clothing for sale as assets, and also as part of avatars that are built. This of course does not mean that the terms allow it, simply that people are doing it. I've also seen other resold assets (kitbash3d.com) that use Marvelous Designer for creating cloth on the assets they are selling. You have me curious now :)
@myth Heh so few read the terms of the software they use. I partly think its not the terms I need considering it makes no mention of how the products created may be used. Unless I glanced over it which is possible.
Quote in question https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/9oe1f8/comment/e7te61s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
@Zodira Thank you! I'm gonna go get some sleep (1:35am local) and do some research in the morning too! Let me know if you find out anything else as well.
@myth Oh yikes. Ya get some sleep. I should sleep too soon. I'm PST myself. I'll keep you informed, you do the same if you find anything.
@Zodira Ok bed time now. Found some historical commentary on the #marvelousdesigner license changing over time. It "seems" like the restriction was lifted. https://www.renderosity.com/forums/comments/4374158/permalink
@Zodira Slightly further down: https://www.renderosity.com/forums/comments/4374183/permalink
quoted reply from an email response from md:
"You can sell your creations with Marvelous Designer as long as you did not violate our enterprise/personal license policy. If you have any other questions, please feel free to let us know. Thank you."
@myth Ah okay. Without seeing the agreement itself and based on this I gather then its fine as long as your subscription is still active and you're still a one person show if using a personal license.
Thanks for the help ^.^
@Zodira Thank you too!