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Brent ToderianCan we please never forget this. #ClimateCrisis #ClimateEmergency
Tim Welch 
@BrentToderian Or what they’re going to do about it.
sabik@t
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Indeed; certainly in Australia we know the LNP leadership believes in climate change — they've been caught on a hot mic — they just don't let it influence their policy
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Indeed; certainly in Australia we know the LNP leadership believes in climate change — they've been caught on a hot mic — they just don't let it influence their policy
antipode77Scoundrels.
Tanath@BrentToderian for those who don't, I've found this useful: https://www.howglobalwarmingworks.org/
Roland Siegloff@BrentToderian "Please explain climate change in three sentences."
Reddog@BrentToderian excellent. often thought “do you believe in” to be a stupid question, unless applied to santa or faerie.
Mr. Teatime@Reddog
"believe in" is for things that cannot be known, or things too vague to be considered true/false. "I believe in my ability to solve this", "You can do it! We all believe in you!", "I believe in everyone's right to be heard". That sort of thing.
"believe that" is for things you cannot prove but think probable (and might be wrong about): "I believe (that) I left my gloves on the train", " he believes that you are at work"/"...you *were* at work (but we know you're not)"
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@Mr_Teatime @BrentToderian The use of ‘believe’ as synonym for ‘think’ can create the confusion. I think I left my gloves on the train, I would not use ‘ I believe’ in that context, as I couldn’t believe my gloves were on the train, until they were proven to be. But that’s maybe just me, I believe, or think.
@Reddog
Makes sense. "believe" doesn't look wrong to me, but "think" is probably easier to interpret.
Once the fate of your gloves has been proven, however, there's no need to believe. At that point, you can know. Unless, of course, you want to be insured in case it turns out you shouldn't have believed the information on which that proof is based :)
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Makes sense. "believe" doesn't look wrong to me, but "think" is probably easier to interpret.
Once the fate of your gloves has been proven, however, there's no need to believe. At that point, you can know. Unless, of course, you want to be insured in case it turns out you shouldn't have believed the information on which that proof is based :)
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@Reddog
...so "believe in climate change" indeed makes no sense if you understand physics. "x believes that climate change *was* made-up" describes climate-change deniers correctly, but "is" implies that the speaker is either not sure about climate change, or directly denies it, too (but thinks it was like religion".
... but of course, tons of people don't really pay attention to that kind of detail when speaking, especially if English is not their native language.
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PirateRo@BrentToderian it’s science, belief is not required. It doesn’t require consensus, either. It just needs a person who happens to be right. The self-correcting mechanism of science moves into play. But this need to believe something lowers the credibility of science and raises the credibility of some bullshit religion and this last takes many forms.
Adam CrainGood take, always hated that question and headline.
Can also be used for many other issues in society. Also leads to more meaningful conversation.
504_drI can think of a lot of the major climate scientists who believe in CC, but their words/actions show that they don't understand it.
Specifically the ones who deny/ignore human overpopulation as key component of the climate crisis.
I'll trust/listen to lay ppl who acknowledge this issue over any big name climate "scientist" any/every day of the week.
A degree does not always equal superior intelligence. It never has.
@BrentToderian that’s also why I always try to refer to it as “Climate Crisis” instead of “Climate Change”, change doesn’t invoke in my opinion how urgent it is, and changes are not inherently bad
Gerard Cats@BrentToderian wellicht leuk voor @GerritHiemstra
Mark@BrentToderian as soon as you are not allowed to question "science" it is no longer science: it has become religion.
Science is about doubt, hypotheses. Never about certainty.
If you are talking about "certainties" you are talking to a pastor.
@BrentToderian remember: a flat earth was once "science".
Earth as the center of the universe was once "science".
What if no one had asked "do you believe the earth to be flat"?
costrike@BrentToderian Also ask what they're going to do about it and how they'll make themselves accountable when in office.
HRHSheriff@BrentToderian Santa is lie ??
AutisticMumTo3@BrentToderian
And will they do anything about it. They might understand it but just not care. For example if they are only interested in short term monetary gain, for example, especially if they are currently funded by the fossil fuel industry etc
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And will they do anything about it. They might understand it but just not care. For example if they are only interested in short term monetary gain, for example, especially if they are currently funded by the fossil fuel industry etc
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timekiller_s@BrentToderian THANK YOU.
I hear this all the time from the underinformed/undereducated: "You believe in climate change," or "you believe in abortion," or whatever. It seems to be their idea of discourse and it's appalling.
They're not "belief systems."
touch fluffy tailclimate science, like economics, has no experiment. thus, strictly speaking, it is not a science. ergo, belief is correctly used.
Dr Dani Rabaiotti@BrentToderian why dies this look like the cover for a stats textbook 😂
PeterD 🇩🇪 🇨🇦@BrentToderian Good one. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
Andi89S4051@BrentToderian don’t bother asking Andrew Tate. He is in jail because his smart ass ordered a pizza in an attempt to mock climate change. Someone he wasn’t expecting knocked on his door next. #karma #teamgreta #ClimateChange #badboys #jail #HumanTrafficking
U.Lancier@BrentToderian While I totally concur I still think the absence of the alt-text makes the toot too twitter.
Can that be added by editing the toot?
Edit: Alt-text now discovered 😄
Can that be added by editing the toot?
Edit: Alt-text now discovered 😄
@BrentToderian Was that now that quickly done, or was the alt-text there all along but my Browser too slow to show it until now?
Computeforloot 
@BrentToderian nailed it
McHollander | Celtic Folk Bard@BrentToderian Good. And then vote for the candidates who answer that they don't understand it, but they understand the risk and will listen to the scientists who work on understanding it for advice on how to combat it.