@DrALJONES

I agree with everything you've written above.

Patriarchal capitalism as a way of organising society has run amok. It causes immense human suffering in many different ways. We need to reimagine society.

That 6,000 year old obsession as a cause of where we find ourselves is thoroughly documented by James DeMeo in his book "Saharasia: The 4000 BCE Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-repression, Warfare and Social Violence, In the Deserts of the Old World".

@Irreverent_B unfortunately people think socialism is the answer, it isn't, minimalism and a reverting to very small communities is the only way forward. But it won't happen bcs ppl want to live with no health conditions twice the length of the 20 score years and 10

@LadyT @Irreverent_B

This is true.
For me, the reason is overpopulation.

There is no system that can adequately address the problems of all 8B ppl.

Especially climate crisis problems.

We've crossed the Rubicon and there's no going back now.
Even the few workable solutions are too little, too late.

#BuckleUpAndHangOn

@504DR

Overpopulation is a right wing lie. It is an excuse for continued inequality.

@Irreverent_B @504DR

> Overpopulation is a right wing lie.

💯 This. Capitalism is the only system that's so productive that it can take care of billions of people but also the only system that simply chooses not to because of its own economic constraints.

There is enough resources and labor to take care of 8 billion and way more people. The reason we don't is because the people we have given our collective wealth to simply don't want to use it for such ends.

@linuxluser @Irreverent_B

I'm as left as you'll get, so no right wing talking points from me.

I also know lots of lefties who know/understand overpopulation and overshoot.

Feeding billions/billions of ppl has always been a myth. It's never happened/never will.
It's the part of by capitalism that promotes endless growth, endless profits for those who control the food systems.

Physics trumps all here; it's impossible to have infinite resources on a finite planet.
We hit our limit long ago.

@504DR @Irreverent_B We produce enough food, enough materials to build housing, etc. All this is actual reality. The DISTRIBUTION of these resources, however, remains the problem. Your assumption is that we will never be able to distribute what people need. That does not sound leftist to me.

Worse is that you are enabling a terrible idea: by feeding this lie, we will eventually need to decide who has to die when we decide there's too many people. And as we both know, it ain't gonna be the rich.

@504DR @Irreverent_B In other words, maybe you are a leftist, but you need to do your homework here. We already produce enough food to feed 11 billion people. That's without any growth at all. So it's not only possible but is happening. Again, we don't actually feed that many people because it breaks the logic of capital circulation. But that's the only real reason.

@Irreverent_B

When you understand overpopulation from ecological standpoint, it becomes much clearer.

The planet evolved to thrive under the biodiversity that sustains it. Nothing survives without the whole being healthy.

Ppl now occupy a majority space on the planet relative to other species, either physically or thru their actions.
Less/less is available to other species.

It's physics - a finite planet has finite resources.

#SixthGreatExtinction
#Overpopulation
#Biodiversity

@504DR
Maybe patronising people makes you feel good but it's a suboptimal method of communication.

I understand that 70% of arable land is used for raising feedstock, and that a majority of the rest for livestock. I understand this is an incredibly inefficient way of feeding people. It's one of many aspects of 'civilisation' that are incredibly inefficient.

The problems we face are entirely able to be solved.

Greed gets in the way.