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Do observant #Jews always need two sets of dishes, pots & pans to keep #kosher? Could it be halakhically permissible to clean meat dishes and then make them ritually useful for milk/dairy dishes? Apparently, yes - and upon learning these details, one could ask why this idea isn't discussed in #Ashkenazi #Orthodox #yeshivas

https://merrimackvalleyhavurah.wordpress.com/2018/12/20/must-we-have-two-sets-of-dishes-to-keep-kosher/

@mazeldon

Must we have two sets of dishes to keep kosher?

Merrimack Valley Havurah
Dec 27, 2022 at 2:21amWeb
Show threadP. Y. Mund's GenealogyDec 27, 2022
@JewishConversations This isn't discussed in yeshivas because the authorities cited are considered fringe figures in the Orthodox world. Orthodox halachic precedent overwhelming requires separate sets of dishes in most cases.
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@PYMundGenealogy

Please read the sources here. They are pretty mainstream within Orthodox Judaism: Mishnah, Talmud Bavli, Rabenu Nissim, Yosef Messas, and the Shulkhan Arukh itself (which, on this topic, Ashkenazi reject), and R. Ovadia Yosef, Yaakov Peretz, etc

http://files.ctctcdn.com/64c06db0201/e0c28217-2deb-444c-9e34-f3089c5fb520.pdf

#Kashrut #kosher #koshering

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@PYMundGenealogy

Are the Talmud, Mishneh Torah, and Shulkhan Arukh "fringe" within Orthodoxy? You did not intend to do so, but that is what sort of occurred. These books do not always support today's Ashkenazi Orthodox interpretations. More flexible ideas always had been valid, and some communities choose to rule them out

Show threadP. Y. Mund's GenealogyDec 27, 2022
@JewishConversations The tone of the article presents this as a novel, ignored angle. It isn't. It's been discussed to death in contemporary rabbinic literature and been largely dismissed, using and addressing the same sources (I have a very good idea of how Orthodox halachic ruling works; it is literally a vocation I trained for, before circumstances meant I couldn't finish it). The presentation of the “mavericks” and their overlooked solution is, yes, a fringe narrative.
Show threadP. Y. Mund's GenealogyDec 27, 2022

@JewishConversations To reiterate: novel lenient positions are not fringe. They are part of the process of halachic diversity and sometimes change. The narrative presented here, of the one wise maverick who has seen what all have missed, is the halachic equivalent of Sovereign Citizenship.

(Forgive me if I'm overreacting a bit; I know a Maverick or two of this sort - one actually disciple of one of the authorities named in the article - and my experience strongly inclines me to view them as crackpots.

I also *detest* the presentation of old, still-contested controversies as novel arguments or rediscoveries. It's not honest and it takes advantage of the reader's unfamiliarity with the field.)

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@PYMundGenealogy

Saying that you "detest" all of these Orthodox rabbis - and several were quoted here, and more hold this way - is not kind. It is also not correct for you to suggest to our readers that all of these rabbis are just one person.

You may disagree with them, sure, but we must admit that they exist. We should be able to find ways to disagree without rancor. You could say that they are incorrect, instead of detesting them