Gonna write this up in longer form, but folks complaining that the $45bn Ukraine costs are high miss two key points:

1. The direct costs in (US) military aid are surprisingly small; in the order of $19bn this year, and $10.8bn committed (so far) for next year

2. The indirect economic costs of the Russian war to the US economy (i.e. to the private sector not via the government) are in the order of $600-700bn per year. To pick a random company, it's nearly $6-10bn in costs to Apple *alone*.

In other words, if the US upped it's spend by, say, 25% and that reduced the length of the war by *just a whole week*, it would *make money*.

It's a good example of how the size of war economics harms get truly insane really quickly, and get you to unintuitive places about just how much of the war costs end up as indirect, rather than direct costs.

Or if you want it put another way, every American is spending in the order of $50 a year in direct lethal assistance to Ukraine, but losing about $1700 a year in indirect economic costs caused by that war.

If you had a company that sold a widget that upped a business cost from $50 to, let's say, $100, but doing so saved the customer $1700 a year, how quickly do you think VCs in Silicon Valley would jump in to invest in that widget?

Economic costs get into stratospheric numbers when you start looking at global dampening effects, and get really hard for the human brain to comprehend. So you end up having to do the translation into comprehendible numbers.

So if you want to put it another way, the indirect costs of the Ukraine war is equivalent to, say, 6 million American jobs a year.

How much would Congress pay in subsidies to get 6 million people into new jobs? Idk. But $45bn sounds super cheap at those scales.

Taking OECD numbers of the cost of the war at 3% of global GDP, give or take, and assuming that's uniformly spread globally, ending the war would *double* US GDP growth.

So why is the US investing only $10.8bn of lethal aid next year into getting that to happen sooner?

Anyway, that's why it's super disingenuous for folks to say the numbers are way too big. Yes, the direct costs are large. But if you take it as an investment into ending the war sooner, and looking at the indirect costs, it quickly looks insanely small for what it's trying to achieve.
@Pwnallthethings I also reflect on how much this stuff was literally stockpiled to... destroy the Russian military in event of an invasion of Europe. Like what else were you planning to do with it.
@SwiftOnSecurity @Pwnallthethings
I’m all for evicting russia from Ukraine as quickly as possible. $50 a year seems pathetically small

@JDN5IX @SwiftOnSecurity @Pwnallthethings

After two decades, the US couldn't even evict the Taliban from Afghanistan. And you think evicting Russia from Ukraine is a feasible goal? When Russia has nukes?

@grumble209 @SwiftOnSecurity @Pwnallthethings

We invaded both of those countries - we have nukes
- we did not succeed in our mission.

russia invaded Ukraine
- russia has nukes (although it is questionable that they have been maintained properly)
- russia will not succeed
- russia will also be ousted from Georgia.

Fighting a conflict from the perspective of the invader vs the perspective of fighting for your home are two very different things.

Insurgents have the historical advantage, afaik, given the minuscule reading I have done on the topic.

@JDN5IX @SwiftOnSecurity @Pwnallthethings

When the US invaded Afghanistan, our global rivals didn't overtly jump in to make a proxy war. Had China or Russia supported the Taliban the way the US is supporting Ukraine, shit would have hit the fan.

That's why I'd prefer the US to at least STFU about arming Ukraine, let alone watching our domestic war profiteers wrapping themselves in a blue and yellow flag to pretend they aren't greedy monsters feeding off death.