Twitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

Elon Musk Twitter Meltdown Megathread Part 3

Part 1: https://mastodon.cloud/web/statuses/109520799673427113

Part 2: https://mastodon.cloud/web/statuses/109542103348007605

This time, Elon had a long Twitter Spaces conference earlier and it's quite a doozy...

Written summary: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1605439080958816256.html

Image collage summary: https://i.imgur.com/H2kVHXb.png

Audio recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXXQr28MXs

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Attached: 4 images The Night of the Elong Knives

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Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

Vimeo mirror of the audio recording: https://vimeo.com/783521957

these are the clowns running the circus. they have no clue

elon: "we need to rewrite everything in this crazy stack."

guy: "what exactly is so 'crazy' about the twitter stack that necessitates a complete rewrite?"

elon: "goodbye. what a moron."

https://nitter.net/pwnsdx/status/1605442608603463680#m

Scale, Complexity and number of engineers

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Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

"Listening to this Twitter Spaces where Elon is talking about the tech stack and it's clear that no one has been in a position to actually ask him a follow up question in years. He thinks he knows everything and simply will not abide someone contradicting that notion.

Right after I sent this he demanded someone be cut off because he was pointing out correctly how ads work on the internet. Literally just said "cut him off"

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1605441730760675330.html

https://nitter.net/goldman/status/1605441730760675330#m

Thread by @goldman on Thread Reader App

@goldman: Listening to this Twitter Spaces where Elon is talking about the tech stack and it's clear that no one has been in a position to actually ask him a follow up question in years. He thinks...

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
getting dunked on by Schiff lol
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

Pretty funny thread in which OP backpedals for 12 hours. Hotz is a transparent clout goblin who couldn't hack it as an engineer, very sad!

https://nitter.net/GergelyOrosz/status/1605455595640864773#m

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

Who wants to bet that "weird political defenses" were things like "that's a legal requirement in X countries".

Can't imagine why they wouldn't be excited about changing around everything after losing like 90% of their workforce that's actually capable of implementing large changes, and no desire to take on a FUCKING GIANT workload when there's basically nobody left with the knowledge to fix shit when Elon's rushed changes and demands inevitably cause shit to catch fire.

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

elon: I think frankly if we're gonna have a really high velocity of features I uh uh think we need to do just a total rewrite of the whole thing. You know, um

idg (former twitter dev): Wait, seriously, a total rewrite, that's your prediction for velocity?

elon: Yeah.

idg: Well, when you say a total rewrite, do you mean starting with a skeleton, or a bunch of engineers sit down with a whiteboard and say "what is twitter?"

elon: Uh, <silence>

idg: Revolution or reform?

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elon: I mean I mean literally like you could either try to amend the crazy stack that exists, or rewrite it.

idg: When you say crazy stack, what do you mean? Like, break it down.

elon: <silence> Have you seen George's, like, diagram?

idg: no no I mean like what do you mean by crazy?

Elon: <interrupts with gibberish>

idg: C'mon bud, c'mon

elon: Who are you?

idg: What do you mean who am I? I dunno, you gave me the fuckin' mic.

<crosstalk over mic bullshit>

Dec 22, 2022 at 3:46pmWeb
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

idg: Like no no you're in charge of the servers and programing, whatever. Like what is the stack, Elon? C'mon man, take me from top to bottom. What does the stack look like right now? What's so crazy about it? What's so abnormal about this stack versus every other large scale system on the planet, buddy? C'mon.

elon: Amazing. Wow, you're a jackass.

geohotz: Ok ok let's keep this civil, we've removed him from speakers.

elon: good. What a moron."

lol what a thin skin dumbass

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

whoever called the "he's a very special boy, top of his class, and you're not respecting HOW SPECIAL he is" come claim your prize

"you want me to work with others?!? what the fuck is wrong with you, you should just be keeping them out of my way!!!"

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

So when boywonder says "political" he means organizational. Y'know. "Who has the capacity and familiarity to get shifted to the new task? Do we bring in new folks?"

This dude's a dipshit.

it's almost like people who can't work with others have a vested interest in perpetuating the "brilliant jerk" myth

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
when geohotz says twitter was political he's mad because they put the login wall back up after he removed it because all their metrics are based on daily average users and they need you to login to count. musk claims they're going to move to 'unregretted user minutes' as the primary metric but i have zero idea how they are going to measure that
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

you also can't really show ads (profitably) to users who aren't logged in (especially on mobile) which is another reason geohotz is an idiot who doesn't understand the business

he's also mad they don't want to move all their ml inference stuff from tfserving to his shitty home grown thing

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

apparently twitter is blocking GV from SMS now lol

i'm sure nobody was using it

https://www.engadget.com/twitter-google-voice-2fa-authentication-sms-195145660.html

Engadget is part of the Yahoo family of brands

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
According to musk in the full-length Spaces chat Twitter was getting "scammed" something like $13MM/yr from Telcos with SMS fees for 2FA for bogus accounts. He said once he found out about this he told his staff, "any Telco that has higher than a 10% scam rate, cut them off." He said that this resulted in something like 389 Telcos being shuttered from service with Twitter because they were all scamming Twitter. I guess GV was one of these lol
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

He said he told his staff to strong arm the Telcos into lowering their fees on SMS. No doubt a Trumpian move, break shit and threaten to leave until they give you what you want.

losing 300 mil a month and making an unannounced feature change to save 1 is some boy genius shit

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

they also cut off fucking Vodafone but didn’t disable SMS-based 2FA for affected accounts, so those users can’t even log in

iirc users with token-based 2FA who registered Vodafone numbers also can’t log in because they disabled all 2FA prompting, not just SMS sending

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
lol that the new status icons don't pass basic WCAG. i bet the aria-label still has the same text for all of them, too, like when lonny first added the $8 blue boys
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

lol at the idea of musk getting someone else to be CEO and then hanging around fucking everything up by being "head of engineering" or whatever it was.

just imagine how bad a job it would be having to deal with his bullshit all the time as you desperately try to pull the company out of a stall

and it's really geohot and Musk telling on themselves that they've never actually developed anything more complex than could be run as a monolith or a group of services on a single box.

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
Don't forget that Musk had to be kicked out of PayPal before he could rollover everything from Linux to Windows, and his dev skills seemingly haven't modernized one bit from there. The idea that there'd be so many different services doing different roles that it's not reasonable to build and run it all on a single machine is alien to them both; neither of them have likely ever written any code in an environment with that level of complexity.
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

Oh, and Musk fired everyone who could explain it to them, assuming either of them would even listen to and then retain anything those devs told them.

he really is the Idea Guy that downloads GameMaker and starts looking for the MMO checkbox

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

that court transcript has a nice bit of total bullshit where he lays out exactly how he wants to be seen

"Q. In fact, when you became the CEO of Tesla many years before, were you already the CEO of any other companies?

A. Yes. I was running SpaceX. I should say the CEO role at SpaceX and also at Tesla, it’s less about the CEO but, rather, that I am the one driving the technology."

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/22/23465042/elon-musk-tesla-ceo-compensation-trial-full-transcript

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
So at SpaceX, it’s really that I am responsible for the engineering of the rockets; and at Tesla, for the technology, you know, in the car that makes it successful. So CEO is often viewed as somewhat of a business-focused role, but in reality, my role is much more that of an engineer developing technology and just making sure that we develop breakthrough technologies and that we have a team of incredible engineers who can achieve those goals.
Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

And it is my experience that great engineers will only work for a great engineer, and so I — that is what I — that is my first duty, not that of CEO."

He's so in charge that middle management has to give him stuff to look at to keep him from firing critical personnel.

musk comes in and writes on a whiteboard "IDEA: rocket should go UP", underlines the last word 4 times as his inner circle all nods and fawns over how brilliant that idea is, then goes back to arguing with nobody on twitter

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

He's said before that to learn anything you just need to read a book. And that's what he did with rocket science. He just read a book on rockets, and then knew everything about rocket science. Pretty sure that's almost an exact quote.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-learned-rocket-science-for-spacex-2014-10

How Elon Musk Learned Rocket Science For SpaceX

Jim Cantrell helped Musk launch SpaceX and was blown away by Musk's intelligence and determination.

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Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022

this sounds positively delightful to database engineers, but i'm also looking forward to see how deranged people get after this

"It's sooo alive! Don't let the loss of revenue and layoffs and code fails and fly-by-wire policy making fool you. The VIEWS will prove this is a stable company."

Show threadTwitter Death CultDec 22, 2022
yeah sure keep firing the people who tell you when something you want to do is illegal
Show thread¡a!nDec 22, 2022

@cspam what’s even funnier is that the first sentence of that article is a lie. He has a fake diploma that was bought for him when his first CEO realised that he was in the US illegally because he had dropped out of university without a degree.

(And I’d argue that two bachelors degrees isn’t really that impressive, you basically just have to turn up to exams get a bachelors - source: personal experience)

Show threadConfiscated Pillow PhoneDec 22, 2022
@cspam That's been going on for a while. About a year ago, I lost access to my account because a bunch of TERFs decided to report me for stating the facts, and Twitter wouldn't let me use my GV number -- which is the only number I use anywhere; I don't give out my direct line numbers. So I said "fuck it" and left the site entirely.
Show threadCharles ForsytheDec 22, 2022
@cspam If there ends up being an official unit for measuring regret, I think we should call it the "Musk."
Show threadJoeChipFeb 11, 2023
@cspam
Non I have no regretted user minutes.
Show threadsamDec 22, 2022
@cspam yes a big part of being a software engineer is working with people in your organization to get things done that’s right 🫠
Show threadRobin from Colorado 🇺🇸🇺🇦Dec 22, 2022
@cspam that exchange told me everything. I’ve used buzzwords like that before with sr execs that called me on it and it’s embarrassing when you don’t know what is under them. I learned that when I was 30. He powered out of it because he can, but he still doesn’t know what he is talking about.