Taylor LorenzDec 19, 2022
Very good piece by @mmasnick https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/19/i-speak-fluent-new-social-media-ceo-whos-in-over-their-head-let-me-translate-the-last-few-days-of-twitter-policy/ #twittermigration #twitterexodus #twitter #tech #technews #technology #journalist
I Speak Fluent ‘New Social Media CEO Who’s In Over Their Head’; Let Me Translate The Last Few Days Of Twitter Policy

The last few days on Twitter have been, well, chaotic, I guess? Beyond the blocking of the ElonJet account, followed by the blocking of the @JoinMastodon account, then the blocking of journalists a…

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Show threadWurstsemmel 🕊🇺🇦 #SlavaUkraïniDec 19, 2022

@taylorlorenz @mmasnick Ok great. Now we're back to realizing that this is all just about acknowledging that "crazy assholes" should not get a say.

Back to the stone age, thank you. Same struggle: Who is an asshole, and who is not. Been there, thought it was sorted out with moderation at e.g. the bird site.

We already knew that this question is a dilemma years or decades ago, but unfortunately, Mastodon offers even less help in moderating that dilemma.

I'm a little lost now. 🤷‍♂️

Show threadMike Masnick ✅

@wurstsemmel @taylorlorenz I did not say that, and I am not sure how you could read it that way.

I am saying that the owner of a home gets to decide if someone is violating the rules of that home, that they should leave.

That's it.

Dec 19, 2022 at 11:39pmWeb
Show threadWurstsemmel 🕊🇺🇦 #SlavaUkraïniDec 19, 2022

@mmasnick @taylorlorenz I totally agree with you on that.

Still, everything boils down to that question: Who is enough of an asshole (or Nazi, etc. pp). Thus: Same as it's ever been, no?

Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 19, 2022
@wurstsemmel @taylorlorenz again, in the end it comes down to "my house, my rules," which is why something like the fediverse is an interesting change. As you get to pick your house, and see who's running it. Or set up your own house.
Show threadWurstsemmel 🕊🇺🇦 #SlavaUkraïniDec 20, 2022
@mmasnick @taylorlorenz Not here to pick a fight, Mike.
Show threadJonathan Hartley's old accountDec 20, 2022
@wurstsemmel There is no need for that. Mike has just been responding to your thoughts in a specific and helpful way.
Show threadAndreas KDec 21, 2022

@mmasnick @wurstsemmel @taylorlorenz Yes, and no.

My home, my rules. Right

And at the instance level, you have some leeway.

But on the federation level, there is only one mainstream Fediverse.

And as some have pointed out, there is a peer-pressure to throw out the “assholes”. And the exact rules are somewhat greyish. OTOH.

No centralized platform has really consistent moderation, either. Shrug.

Show threadAndreas KDec 21, 2022

@mmasnick @wurstsemmel @taylorlorenz The non-consistent moderation/greyish rules btw are logical if you consider:

Humans do the moderation. (AIs are trained on human decisions, so just reproduce the human biases, etc.). Different humans do not apply such complex but obviously subjective rules consistently.

Even on a centralized system, different standards apply via different jurisdictions.
But platforms prefer to fudge this over instead of acknowledging this.