Charlotte HunterDec 11, 2022
Free speech and hate speech are not the same thing. Pass it on.
Show threadartisanroxDec 11, 2022

@kijekijikokwe

This is an oversimplification of this issue....going to play Devil's Advocate here.

According to the US Constitution, hate speech is definitely NOT included in "free speech".

According to objective reality, yes, hate speech is included in free speech

BUT

hate-politics-driven people who scream about "fReE sPeeCh!!!!" mean freedom from consequences, and you are objectively never free of consequences for hate speech.

Show threadCharlotte HunterDec 11, 2022
@artisanrox I'm not an American so no comment on first point. You're saying hate speech is just a subset of free speech where free speech objectively means all speech, I think. I disagree. Human existence is never objective. It's immersive. Context is everything. Context is what makes speech different than a cough. Speech can be violence. Silence can be violence. So, it's contextual freedom that matters. We can't be free to spread oppression through any hate. Speech or otherwise.
Show threadAss dragonDec 11, 2022
@artisanrox @kijekijikokwe hates a human constant. And with it comes hate speech. It sucks but it’s true. Every culture will think another is wrong and judge and sometimes hate them for those differences. The only way to fix it would be to beat out all differences in human cultures and thought and force uniformity. We can’t even stop hating and slurring each other for our minor differences.
Show threadCharlotte HunterDec 11, 2022
@assdragon @artisanrox I don't see oppression as being about different vs different. It's oppression if it's powerful vs. vulnerable for the purpose of maintaining or reinforcing the power imbalance. The solution begins when we all come to terms with where we are starting from ourselves in the various intersecting systems of oppression that currently sustain us.
Show threadAss dragon
@artisanrox @kijekijikokwe right but you oppress people by othering them. Colonist and savages, us vs the plebeians, Aryan (really they weren’t) vs the Jew, your chosen political party vs the subhumans who dare to wrong think, people just on the wrong side of the street. If you didn’t view a group as different therefore wrong and inferior to you correct proper people than it’s be awfully hard to justify oppressing them and unconditionally hating them.
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Show threadCharlotte HunterDec 11, 2022
@assdragon @artisanrox Sorry Ass Dragon, you've lost me. I feel like you're maybe projecting there or something b/c (other than the ongoing *systems* of colonialism), none of that is in my worldview.
Show threadAss dragonDec 11, 2022
@artisanrox @kijekijikokwe it’s the some of ways people have been or othered in order to justify oppressing them. Oppression was a thing before colonialism. It doesn’t just happen on a massive scale. I grew up in the ghetto and it was very common. I had to warn the right to not get my stuff stolen, the Chines kids got the shit beat out of them because they were too different. And you better not talk to people from the other side of the tracks.
Show threadartisanroxDec 11, 2022

@assdragon @kijekijikokwe

That's because while right now there are people that actively fight fir the dignity of human beings, we don't have a totally equitable, all-pervasive consequence system.

We have an antiConstitutional insurrectionist running for POTUS. Equitable justice demands imprisonment, death penalty etc. but it's not done.

People can literally say what they want, but consequences are either in place or not equitably given out.

Show threadAss dragonDec 11, 2022
@kijekijikokwe @artisanrox basically colonialism is one form of what seems to be part of the human animal. The herd is good not in the herd isn’t. We can conquer it as individuals but the herd mentality is strong.