Charlotte HunterFree speech and hate speech are not the same thing. Pass it on.
Ass dragon@kijekijikokwe no, hate speech is sadly a part of free speech, as is our ability to speak against it. Freedom means some people being shit
Jasmine 🏳️⚧️@assdragon @kijekijikokwe Nope. Germany has a free speech except hate speech law that is amazing. Hate speech inherently infringes on the freedom, including freedom of speech, of minoritized groups. There is no place for hate speech in a free civil society.
@womanontherun @assdragon I agree. Freedom means living in a society where at the very least people who are perpetuating shit can be safely labelled as such. We're not even close to that so I don't know what would happen after that. But this whole "hate speech will always be with us so ..." approach to "freedom" is always beyond sus to me.
@womanontherun @kijekijikokwe I appreciate you low key calling me racist. Thanks. But when the government can define what is and isn’t appropriate speech they will inevitably begin to claim anything they don’t agree with as bad speech that we can not allow and people will cheer that it’s the best thing that ever happened. Its happened before it will again.
@assdragon @womanontherun Correct. Capitalist libertarian governments are never great arbiters of existing power dynamics.
@assdragon @kijekijikokwe Even the ACLU realized that free speech absolutism is not a valid approach to society. And that is an organization founded by Jewish people who defended Nazi speech DURING THE HOLOCAUST. Modern Germany functions very well without constant hate speech.
As for calling you racist, I don‘t think anyone did unless I missed something. So if your subconscious is saying that, maybe unpack those feelings a bit.
As for calling you racist, I don‘t think anyone did unless I missed something. So if your subconscious is saying that, maybe unpack those feelings a bit.
@womanontherun @kijekijikokwe she said what I said was sus. Which implies I’m under suspicion of endorsing hate speech. Which I’m not.
@assdragon @kijekijikokwe I stand by my statement
@womanontherun @kijekijikokwe okay then solve prejudice. What’s your one size fits all solution that will fix all hate forever. How will we consolidate all of our social, racial, ideological, and theological differences?
@assdragon @womanontherun One way would be if we all identify and come to terms with the specific privileges we have and specific systems of oppression that we currently rely on to survive... and then we all move forward from there. I don't know what happens next exactly it's a simple (if uncomfortable) answer to your complicated-sounding question.
@kijekijikokwe Why do you think there is privilege? Do you think someone just woke and decided they have it. We place the onus of this on governments which are not going to solve these issue. They buy oil from oppressive regimes and cheap products produced by low paid factory workers and sweatshops. The world revolves around material capital. There’s only so many resources, we need then and will do what we need to get them. Only way to solve that is to overcome scarcity.
@assdragon @womanontherun I didn't say anything about you personally other than I suspected that you're projecting your insecurities about your own privileges and systems of oppression that sustain you, rather than lauding the value of absolute freedom of expression. And that was kind of rude and I apologize for the bluntness.
@womanontherun @kijekijikokwe No no, I am sorry. I misunderstood. That’s my bad.
Jeff@womanontherun @assdragon @kijekijikokwe hate speech is free speech whether you like it or not 🤷🏻♂️