Jeff JarvisDec 7, 2022

Well, if bakeries can refuse gay clients, restaurants can refuse white "Christian" nationalists. Fair's fair.

WaPo: Restaurant refuses service to Christian group, citing staff ‘dignity’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2022/12/06/metzger-restaurant-family-foundation/

Restaurant refuses service to Christian group, citing staff ‘dignity’

Metzger Bar and Butchery in Richmond canceled a reservation from the Family Foundation, citing its stances opposing gay marriage and abortion rights.

The Washington Post
Show threadDavid LuceDec 7, 2022
@jeffjarvis One bad act does not justify another, nor is it "fair". But, as the article points out, the two events are not equivalent. The baker denied service to a couple because of their sexual orientation. The restaurant denied service to a group because of its advocacy of a Christian based theocracy.
Show threadJeff JarvisDec 7, 2022
@dnluce That's exactly equivalent.
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCDDec 7, 2022
@jeffjarvis @dnluce Actually no, it is worse. Sexual orientation is an unchanging characteristic. You are born with it, and suffer for it. Being a Christianist Nazi is a choice. Choices have, and ought to have, consequences. As pointed out in the WP article.
Show threadMatDec 7, 2022
@martinvermeer @jeffjarvis @dnluce I'm afraid you're oversimplifying in the opposite direction. Homosexually is neither a foregone conclusion nor a free will choice. Like most things it life it is more complicated and trying to make it black and white will fail and make everyone less likely to even try and understand each other. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/science/there-is-no-gay-gene-there-is-no-straight-gene-sexuality-is-just-complex-study-confirms
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCDDec 7, 2022
@mat @jeffjarvis @dnluce The core point is that it is not a free choice. There is no known way to undo it.
Show threadMat
@martinvermeer @jeffjarvis @dnluce I'm fine with that, but I'd argue the same for being a Christian. There no known way to undo a belief system. Also there is a known way to not take part in homosexuality by choosing to be celibate. I'm not claiming that people should choose that - just that they *can*.
Dec 7, 2022 at 8:55pmWeb
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCDDec 7, 2022
@mat @jeffjarvis @dnluce I would consider religion an unchanging characteristic too - as did the Framers. Yes, conversion happens, but it is never easy and cannot fairly be called a free choice. Americans should know, as America was founded by people who rather gave up the country of their birth than their religion.
About celibacy, it doesn't undo gayness as a *characteristic*, what this is all about. Gay people have the same claim to the pursuit of happiness as everyone else.
Show threadMatDec 7, 2022
@martinvermeer @jeffjarvis @dnluce agreed 🙂 (although I'm not American)