i wonder if anyone who has ever operated an smtp or irc server could have predicted any of the problems with the fediverse going on right now

i guess we'll just never know

@atax1a look it's fine, if someone sends you spam you can just block the email address they sent it from. Or you can just block their whole server. And if you don't like it you can just run your own mail server.

There's no way that spam will be a problem.

@bencurthoys @atax1a Funny thing is, managing spam for email used to be easier.

If you wanted a more aggressive anti-spam strategy, you could find an email hosting provider that ran harder rules. If there was a subnet blasting spam at you, you could block it. Domain blocks were a reasonable move.

The centralisation of the bulk of mail onto Google and Microsoft services has done nothing to abate spam -- rather, they're now a major route for spam and one can't just block the entirety of gmail to fix the problem.

Massively federated small systems with open protocols made email work and made management of email reasonable. Massive centralisation broke the interoperability; broke the culture of being able to reach out to another postmaster to deal with problems and made blocking spam terribly difficult without risking a major impact to users.

@PCOWandre @bencurthoys and welcome to why we've been locked into an eternal scream about activitypub for the past month and a half—it's going to inevitably devolve into this, badly.