Fascism is about getting you to debate people's right to exist.

If you're debating, you're losing. Because human rights are non-negotiable! Some people can't decide whether #Ye is "mentally ill," or an actual Nazi. It doesn't matter! Once he questioned Jews' right to exist, and embraced the swastika / Hitler, he should lose the right to speak in civilized society.

Fascist filth being disseminated in public spaces means we've crossed a dangerous milestone on the road to death camps. #antifa

@sean Surely there's some place in between "debate people's right to exist" (Agreed!) and "lose the right to speak in civilized society."

Keep pushing people outside of "civilized society" and you end up with an extremely uncivilized army looking to tear everything down.

@trentbaur the definition of civilized society cannot include people who advocate ideologies that lead to death camps. How does this even have to be said? They *need* to be pushed out of civilized society or by definition they destroy civilized society. This battle cannot be avoided.

@sean You're probably right. Maybe we can push them into camps to isolate them from civilized society?

Oh wait...

@trentbaur It's a bit discouraging to have to continually reiterate the paradox of tolerance.

Perhaps it's because we're 80 years past the Holocaust and the consequences of allowing genocidal ideologies to flourish (without severe consequences) have passed out of people's living memory?

@sean There are more options than the binary of "appeasement" and "shunning/disassociating."

All of the shunning and "pushing out of civil society" has done nothing to reduce the resurgence of these ideologies, especially in a world where they can all just congregate in unseen corners of the internet. We have to come up with better strategies.

@trentbaur @sean Nazis should be shunned. This isn’t difficult.

@JenResisted @sean If shunning worked to address the extremist threat, I'd be fine with it.

But I simply don't believe it works. I think it "feels good" but in the end, I believe it makes things worse.

Happy to be proven wrong. I support anything that works.

@JenResisted @sean The problem I have with shunning is that it's a primary tool of cults. And it's an addictive one.

Leaders of movements are a different matter. But when we start shunning any random person we consider bad, that's a bad path for society to go down.

Isn't that exactly the tribal other-ing that MAGA people use? We've got to do better.