Rob JohnsonDec 1, 2022
The slides and data from my interactive session yesterday at #Munin2022 on Open Research Europe are now available on Zenodo. Take a look to see what the Munin delegates think about economics and equity in the future development of ORE: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7385351
Economics and Equity in the Development of Open Research Europe - Munin conference presentation

Open Research Europe (ORE) is the open access peer-reviewed publishing platform offered by the European Commission as an optional service to Horizon 2020 and Horizon Europe beneficiaries at no cost to them. The platform enables researchers to publish open access without paying out of their research budgets and while complying with their open access obligations. These are the outputs from an interactive session run by Rob Johnson at the 17th Munin Conference on 30 November 2022 to gather delegates' feedback on the future operationalisation of Open Research Europe as a collective publishing enterprise. These outputs supplement the following paper and report: Johnson, R. (2022). Economics and equity in the development of Open Research Europe. Septentrio Conference Series, (1). https://doi.org/10.7557/5.6634 ohnson, R. (2020). Operationalising Open Research Europe as a collective publishing enterprise. European Commission Directorate-General for Research and Innovation, LU https://doi.org/10.2777/061886  

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Show threadBianca KramerDec 1, 2022

@rschrobUK

Really liked the interactive format!

For the question shown here: I do wonder about the assumption that transitioning to a not-for-profit provider and moving to an open-source platform necessarily will cost more money? (compared to staying with a commercial provider on a proprietary platform)

Show threadRob JohnsonDec 1, 2022
@MsPhelps good question, but as someone (who had obviously read my public report carefully) observed yesterday, is the current commercial provider making any money from it…?
Show threadNemo_bis 🌈Dec 1, 2022

@rschrobUK How are the profit margins of the current provider relevant? An #opensource provider will give better value for money because it's inherently more efficient than proprietary software. When considering how to let more authors publish without APC or have a better experience, the proper comparison is not how much more money the current provider would need but how much money it takes in the other venues where it already happens.

@MsPhelps

Show threadRob JohnsonDec 1, 2022
@nemobis @MsPhelps I think it’s more nuanced than that. A commercial provider might choose to sustain short-term losses that would be unacceptable to a non-profit (in expectation of this leading to future profits) for example. And what is the evidence that open source is inherently more efficient? The market is not always bad, and state or community solutions are not always good. It all depends on context.
Show threadNemo_bis 🌈Dec 1, 2022
@rschrobUK There's plenty of evidence, the European Commission has published some too. Opensource is not the opposite of commercial, market or profit.
@MsPhelps
Show threadRob JohnsonDec 1, 2022
@nemobis @MsPhelps I agree, it just depends on context and timeframes. Is it cheaper to licence a commercial product for 1 year or build your own? 3 years? 5 or 10 years? And what’s the cost of the uncertainty over when your OS solution will be ready? My report advocates for an open source solution and I think it’s the right goal in this context. But it’s not going to be cheaper in the short term, and nor do I think it’s CERTAIN to be better in the long term
Show threadBianca KramerDec 1, 2022
@rschrobUK @nemobis But the comparison does not need to be just between 'license commercial product' and 'build your own open source solution' - it could also be: use (and contribute to the further development of) an existing open source solution. Eg what would be possible with Janeway? OJS in combination with OPS?
Show threadAdam HydeDec 2, 2022
@MsPhelps @rschrobUK @nemobis not to mention Kotahi :)
Show threadNemo_bis 🌈Dec 2, 2022

@esetera Cute! https://kotahi.community/features/

I didn't know Cloud68 was involved in this too. :)

How many FTEs do you have working on it? The ORE tender had quite a high bar...
@MsPhelps @rschrobUK

Kotahi

The Modern Scholarly Publishing Platform

Show threadAdam HydeDec 2, 2022
@nemobis @MsPhelps @rschrobUK 5 FTE soon to be increased but not sure by how many. Possibly up to 12
Show threadAdam HydeDec 2, 2022
@nemobis @MsPhelps @rschrobUK actually my mistake currently 7 FTE. Forgot some partner devs
Show threadNemo_bis 🌈Dec 2, 2022

@esetera Interesting. Let's add some #P408 statements on the #Wikidata items of journals/venues which use it. There are currently no incoming links.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q115392758

@MsPhelps @rschrobUK

Pages that link to "Q115392758" - Wikidata

Show threadAdam Hyde
@nemobis @MsPhelps @rschrobUK sure.
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