For practical purposes, and perhaps literally, the planet earth is the only source for genetic diversity.

Any deep-future-oriented ethic must preserve the viability of the biosphere at all costs.

Realistic #longtermism is green.

It seems odd to me that this isn't a consensus opinion.

Despite what some say, it's not #longtermism to burn the planet to get to Mars.

My idea of #longtermism is letting Mars be for a few hundred years. It will still be there once we get our act together.

@mtobis I agree. I'd quite like Mars to be left completely alone apart from the occasional carefully sterilised rover and possibly human scientific missions. The last thing we need just as we're in a position to find out whether there's life is some idiot contaminating it with microbes from Earth and maybe beginning the destruction of any ecosystem that's already there. It's pure vandalism, IMO.

@mtobis

This prompted me again to wonder: "what's the difference between Long Now & Long Term(ism)," Long Now philosophy exemplified by Long Now Foundation (it kind of owns the brand).

Which led to something not conclusive but still fun to read and I think supporting some daylight between the two concepts:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/be9KKoBx4ke5ugxXz/long-now-and-culture-vs-artifacts

Long Now Foundation might do well to set some brackets as a matter of public communications. LongTermism has created some ambiguity.

Long Now, and Culture vs Artifacts - LessWrong

I've recently gotten re-interested in The Long Now Foundation, and had a conversation about it that seemed worth writing down. …

@Doug_Bostrom Interesting. A compelling argument. My first thought is how far that sort of stability is from what we are striving for.

In the most celebrated corners of our society the word "disruption" is uttered with eagerness and ambition.

@mtobis If Climate Change continues on it's current pace, it will be Mars on Earth or maybe Venus on Earth, not sure but it won't be good for things that are alive #Bluewave

@mtobis

Yep, as Kim Stanley Robinson says, there is no Planet B.

We think the paradigm shift has started but we need to hurry it along. www.aspenproposal.org

@AspenProposal Just as a technical point, I think if you write websites with the http colon double slash prefix they automatically become live links.

http://www.aspenproposal.org

Shifting the Paradigm | Aspen Proposal

The Aspen Proposal provides a description of a sustainable human civilization 200 - 500 years in the future. This is a goal that will focus our efforts, allow us to backcast and provide hope for those working for change.

Aspen Proposal
@AspenProposal So I'm a little uncertain on point 7 (I don't really fancy a Canada without coffee, avocados or bananas), but otherwise in strong agreement with the objectives.

@mtobis

Yes, well that is why we said intercontinental trade should be "greatly reduced" rather than eliminated.

@mtobis
Thank you for that. Just getting used to Mastodon. It happens automatically in Facebook without the prefix.