Woozle HypertwinNov 30, 2022

Acid test for any social network or fedi instance:

If you say "fuck you" to a Nazi, who gets banned?

Show threadsvegressNov 30, 2022
@woozle You. Your language is the offense. You're the one who is making a judgement of what that other person is. Stay cool if you want to have a reasonable argument.
Show threadYohannonNov 30, 2022
@Svegress @woozle I don’t argue with fascists. That suggests that they have a viable viewpoint or argument to start with.
I punch them.
Show threadsvegress
@yohannon @woozle Judge not lest ye be judged also.
Nov 30, 2022 at 10:30pmWeb
Show threadStephanie ZvanDec 1, 2022
@Svegress @yohannon @woozle If the worst thing anyone has against me is that I swore at or punched a Nazi, I will be thrilled. On the other hand, if I were being judged for trying to make the world more comfortable for Nazis, as you are, I wouldn't show my face in public.
Show threadYohannonDec 1, 2022
@StephanieZvan @Svegress @woozle (picture of applauding Yohannon here)
Show threadWoozle HypertwinDec 1, 2022

@Svegress @yohannon

I try to always be ready to be judged.

We cannot survive as social beings without judging others.

Show threadsvegressDec 1, 2022
@woozle @yohannon Yes but judge people's actions rather than their labels. Putin yells about the Ukrainian Nazis but behaves like a Nazi.
Show threadYohannonDec 1, 2022

@Svegress @woozle oh nazis rarely if ever refer to themselves as such. If I’m calling them Nazis?

They EARNED IT.

Show threadsvegressDec 1, 2022
@yohannon @woozle I don't know you and so your judgement is worthless to me unless you point out why you have assigned the label. All I can make judgements on is the reported actions of others by sources I trust.
Show threadYohannonDec 1, 2022
@Svegress @woozle sound like I struck a nerve. Buh bye now! Good luck thinking being a Nazi apologist will ever work out.
Show threadWoozle HypertwinDec 1, 2022

@Svegress

Absolutely. (Note that the question refers to "a Nazi", not "someone people are calling a Nazi".)

@yohannon

Show threadSpike-XDec 1, 2022
@Svegress @yohannon @woozle Fuck Nazis, and fuck you for defending them.
Show threadWoozle HypertwinDec 1, 2022

@spikex @Svegress @yohannon

Like, I don't want us to get to a point where one person can point at someone, yell "Nazi!", make the Donald Sutherland face from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and then have everyone dogpile on that person.

My question assumes some level of reasonable diligence on the part of the Nazi-perceiver, and good faith from the majority/consensus.

Show threadSpike-XDec 1, 2022
@woozle @Svegress @yohannon Of course. That's also how I see it.
Show threadsvegressDec 1, 2022
@woozle Putin claimed that the Ukrainian Government was Nazi. https://theconversation.com/putins-claim-to-rid-ukraine-of-nazis-is-especially-absurd-given-its-history-177959, He is seen by the Russians as a trustable responsible head of state...the body count of his labelling and subsequent action is now in the thousands.
Putin's claim to rid Ukraine of Nazis is especially absurd given its history

A Holocaust historian explains why Ukrainian history needs to be understood in terms of both past violence against Jews as well as the state’s pluralistic vision.

The Conversation
Show threadWoozle HypertwinDec 1, 2022

@Svegress That's why I said reasonable diligence is important.

I suspect Putin would not last long in the fediverse; he'd end up on Gab or freespeach.social or whatever.

Show threadsvegressDec 1, 2022
@woozle True. Tyrants like him can only tolerate those who have the same opinions. The comparison of his regime and that of Nazi Germany is profoundly similar.
Show threadYohannonDec 1, 2022
@woozle @spikex @Svegress yes, and…?
Show threadYohannonDec 1, 2022
@Svegress @woozle Nazis are self appointed judges… and you know, if the risk I take by calling them out is being judged by them? “I welcome their hatred”, as I believe the right people can figure it out. 🤷🏻‍♂️