Druid 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Nov 17, 2022
I just dipped into Twitter to read the fantastic news that the Snowdonia National Park Authority has voted to use the original Welsh names Yr Wyddfa #YrWyddfa and #Eryri rather than the imposed English #Snowdon and #Snowdonia. It's a massive win for reclaiming our #Welsh cultural heritage. I honestly can't believe the amount of hatred, abuse and racism in the Twitter comments from English people. I've no idea why they are so angry that another country wants to use its own language. #Cymraeg 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
Show threadSue ArcherNov 17, 2022

@druid I think there are many reasons why some English people are so opposed to multilingualism (in any other language). Paranoia (they're talking about me), jealousy (they're doing something I can't), fear (I don't understand), controlfreakery (they should just use English) and snobbishness (English is used worldwide, why would anyone need another language). Any one person can have one or many of these feelings.

Fortunately, we're not all like that!

Show threadSteve BNov 17, 2022
@suearcher @druid It really is the tiny minority that are like that. But they are the ones who shout the loudest, or at all.
Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022
@Steveb @suearcher @druid to an extent, yes. however england voted for brexit, for the tories...
Show threadSue ArcherNov 17, 2022
@elizabethveldon @Steveb @druid some of England did, not me!
Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022
@suearcher @Steveb @druid that is true, it is not all english people but it was a jajority who voted for brexit.
Show threadSteve BNov 17, 2022
@elizabethveldon @suearcher @druid no, it wasn’t. Can’t recall the exact numbers, but about 30% voted for Brexit.
Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022
@Steveb @suearcher @druid 53.4% of those who voted in england voted to leave, that's a majority.
Show threadSteve BNov 17, 2022

@elizabethveldon Exactly. Of those who voted. Turnout was about 70%.

I'm not entirely sure what you're angle is here. It feels like you are trying to say ALL English people are the same because ALL English people voted for BREXIT. Which we've proved isn't the case.

For the record, I'm dual nationality, English & Irish. I've not lived in England for over 26 years and feel no affiliation to the place.

Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022

@Steveb no, i am saying that england voted by a majority for brexit.

england voted for brexit

Show threadSteve BNov 17, 2022

@elizabethveldon In which case, again, you're wrong.

Those who voted, voted by a majority, which you have said somewhere. But that is a very different thing to the majority of people in England voted for BREXIT.

I accept to many, there is no distinction, but when it comes to some as contentious as BREXIT, it's important to be super accurate. IMO.

Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022

@Steveb england voted for brexit, those who voted voted for brexit.

you can not assign those who did not vote to either side, you can only count those who did.

Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022

@Steveb let's distribute that 13% by the result.

oh look, england still voted for brexit.

Show threadSteve BNov 17, 2022
@elizabethveldon You mean change the facts to suit a cause? Sure, let's do that, if you want.
Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022
@Steveb no, i want to stay with the facts which are that england voted for brexit.
Show threadSue ArcherNov 17, 2022
@elizabethveldon @Steveb You want to seem to blame people like me and my husband, and everyone I know, who didn't vote for it, and who were gutted at the result, for Brexit. Thanks a bunch.
Show threadelizabeth veldonNov 17, 2022
@suearcher @Steveb no, I am saying that england voted for brexit. you didn't and that's great but england did.
Show threadSue ArcherNov 17, 2022

@elizabethveldon @Steveb

Ok, but I resent the implication here that people who didn't vote for it are somehow to blame, and hiding from what happened...

https://mastodon.scot/@elizabethveldon/109359546533367875

elizabeth veldon (@[email protected])

@[email protected] this is the worst argument in the world and does nothing but allow 'liberal' english people to hide from what their country has done.

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Show threadelizabeth veldon
@suearcher @[email protected] i am saying that those who didn't vote can not be included in any count of the vote. the people i chastise here are those who use this argument to say that england din't vote for brexit. england and wales voted for it and have to face up to that.
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