Right, so: I get a lot of these kinds of replies. Not to dunk on Nemo, but the general tendency of telling folks to start their own instance with all of the features we want ignores crucial things that marginalized communities often lack: time and resources.

https://corteximplant.com/@nemo/109351863643584265

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@[email protected] i'd add that mastodon is not the fediverse, and that black community don't HAVE TO join mastodon. They could fork it and make it their own, or use a soft that maybe already contains the ability (i have no idea if that exists but hey ...) And by that mean forge the tool they need to build these communities out of harm way, with the affordances you deem are necessary. They could do it. And if it federates, it doesn't even have to be closed to the rest. How crazy is that.

CORTEX IMPLANT — a cyberpunk'ish fediverse instance!

This is not to appeal to a "poverty model" or an "incapacity model" where marginalized communities are concerned, but to point out the very real resource dependencies necessary for a marginalized group to run an instance.

Beyond technical resources and monetary resources, two things which have been covered in the previous litigations of this suggestion by marginalized mastodonians, there are also personnel resources as well, by which I mean moderators.

Any marginalized community or instance will require a greater number of personnel to maintain itself than an instance not focused on their needs. This is for the simple fact that marginalized communities, be it digital or physical, exist in a world that is actively hostile to their flourishing.

I am not being hyperbolic in this statement: I am being truthful and factual.

Offline, in the US, we might take the increase in racist violence, the attacks on LGBTQ legislation, the attacks on gender affirming care, the rampant transphobia in academia, the ableist attacks on Fetterman during his campaign, and all the run of the mill micro and macro-aggressions that are part of being a marginalized person in the US as evidence of our constant state of being under threat.

In a digital space, the threat is magnified in some pretty ugly ways. This magnification consequently requires people to "stand at the gates" of a given instance to defend it from trolls of a variety of stripes.

Put simply, you need a metaphorical "warrior caste" to enable the safety and security of the community, to deal with the assholes in ways that enable the community to persist in the space. You need moderators.

Moderation, as an endless number of academic studies have indicated, is not an easy task.

It is made harder when one is a marginalized subject and is tasked with engaging with the kinds of vitriol directed at your community as part of your responsibility. To this end, any sufficiently large instance on the fediverse will need people to commit themselves to the task of moderation. This is a massive sacrifice made by volunteers.

I would further argue that this sacrifice would be outsized for multiply marginalized subjects. Consider, for example, a parallel to the outsized advising load that faculty of color endure for the sake of supporting students of color. This is pretty much a similar experience that any moderator on an instance of color will face.

Still further, there is the implication that the solution to harassment within a community, to being unable to be "at home" with others is to go elsewhere.

This ignores what makes Black Twitter what it is and what makes communities on social media what they are. We're not necessarily looking for separate but equal (as if that's even fucking possible): we're looking to be ourselves in all our fullness in public.

Granted that is an imprecise metaphor, but given the cultural norms of the fediverse, it seems like the "build your own instance" argument would be motivated by the same kinds of whiteness that motivates "use CWs to hide this conversation about racism:" an entitlement to comfort in specific spaces, or the expectation that folks of color can be here without -being- here.

Now, the metaphor is imprecise because of the federated nature of the fediverse, but still, it tracks in some crucial senses. One of the thing an instance of color will make possible is, say, banning the whole fucking instance to prevent conversations about racism from leaking into whiter instances.

I'm not saying white people need to be involved in these conversations, but come the fuck on.

If enough of these instances are made uncomfortable by the hypothetical federated black instance, and that discomfort results in mass blocking of the instance, then the instance becomes a weird island isolated from the fediverse.

Which is... not great, but certainly possible given the prevailing cultural norms among instances.

This is not to say that instances focused on marginalized experience should not exist, but it is to say that some of these takes ignore the high cost that starting these things imposes on the moderators and the members of the instance.

"Build your own instance" is not the solution that many think it is.

@shengokai On the flipside, it also allows us to ban instances which refuse to moderate for racism.
@shengokai If the instance can support itself let it be.
@shengokai 1000% this. The “build your own instance” arg to me also echoes a familiar rhetoric to poc: “if you don’t like it here, go back to where you came from.” More than that, tho, it’s a very individualizing response to a systemic problem
@crystaljjlee @shengokai to say nothing of the eventual fetishization, adoption, and inevitable appropriation of what ever separate culture would develop in relative isolation from the rest of the Fediverse.
@crystaljjlee @shengokai I think that answer is an easy out. I mean if you are going to do that, why not start your own service? I am grateful for sharing your thoughts I read through your whole feed yesterday and that was enlightening.
@crystaljjlee @shengokai exactly this! “Separate but Equal”; “Go back to where you can from” - that’s what keeps coming to my mind every time I see these arguments.
@shengokai I’m not sure it’s necessarily wise either, since a marginalised group on their own instance can be silenced en-masse very easily.
@shengokai maybe censorship is not the solution that many think it is either! I'm genuinely sorry you had a negative interaction but you really seem to be trying to pin this on mastodon as a whole, as if your negative experience was built into its very technology.
@Dr. Johnathan Flowers sorry, after reading some of your posts here i got to say that you misunderstand few things:

Here it is not all just about an alternative to twitter. You came to a place which is totally different because of many reasons. Your landet in the #Fediverse and

Mastodon is not the Fediverse

And

the Fediverse is not even close to Tweeter

Spend some more time here and try thing out

e.g. if you need besides the boosting also the quoting function badly just use an other software:

Try #friendica which offers both. https://friendi.ca/

"Build your own instance" can be indeed be a solution and it is not as costly as you think. You can run a friendica Instanz for $ 5 for all your friends.
But sure there have to be Instances for larger communities which should be financed by public institutions also

After all it comes down all to empowerment and sovereignty - something you can really archive on commercial platforms

@blaine
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@shengokai i'd be interested to know @Are0h thoughts on this - i feel like for folks who have been around here a while PV is the immediate example that leaps to mind when someone says things like 'build your own instance'

it didn't stop the assholes from being assholes

@shengokai Thank you for this change of perspective. I hadn't thought of it that way at all.
@shengokai it saddens me to no end that this is the response rather than how can I learn from this? How can I make space for you and your experience and create safety for everyone? How can I understand that it’s okay to be uncomfortable because with that comes growth and moving past old ways of thinking? Not all discomfort is bad. The added emotional labor that’s piled on top of the already high toll of just existing to make others comfortable with their marginalization needs to stop.