Jason Brooks 
I don't like this vibe of, "oh, I'm glad we don't have feature X in the fediverse, because they have that feature in the bad place, so it's bad."
We're grown ups here, we can use software for good.
yuvipanda@jasonbrooks What do you think of different ways same goal is accomplished? I do think human recommendations (based purely on boosts, old school #followfriday, local federation timeline) is a better implementation of recommendations than ML based algorithmic recommendations and discovery.
@yuvipanda I wasn't thinking specifically of follow recommendations, I don't know that I got a lot of value out of that on Twitter. I'd be open to it, though.
But there are a bunch of features like that, quote tooting and algorithmic timeline are two for me, where people celebrate not having the features because of a belief that they're inherently bad, rather than perhaps badly implemented.
@jasonbrooks I do feel like calling ‘algorithmic feeds’ bad might be an overstatement, but I though there is a lot of evidence that engagement maximizing algorithmic feeds are bad for most users mental health
Shoq 🌿@jasonbrooks
I've already had this argument over "embedded posts." People hated it for about 5 minutes on twitter, and now it's among it's most popular features. But Eugen has this idea that it's a tool for abuse. It is, on Twitter. But everything is there.
I've already had this argument over "embedded posts." People hated it for about 5 minutes on twitter, and now it's among it's most popular features. But Eugen has this idea that it's a tool for abuse. It is, on Twitter. But everything is there.
Tristan Harward@jasonbrooks we can continue to improve it, but a) I don’t think we need to copy; we can come up with better solutions, and b) we need to be thoughtful about the design of the system and the impact of “features” on the social interactions, feelings, culture, and ultimately society. That’s where the other site failed: features were built not for humanity but for accumulating attention in service of profit. We can do better. 💪
Mike Taylor 🦕@jasonbrooks *We* are grown ups. But every social media space gets adopted by people who are not, and who will use it for evil. So, yes, the absence of certain features here is a good thing.
wb x64@jasonbrooks quote tweets aren't bad because they're from Twitter, quote tweets are bad because they deepened an existing trend towards dunking on people or talking ABOUT them instead of talking TO them. I actually quit Twitter years ago solely because of how performative the quoting was.
Mastodon may not *be* Twitter but it certainly looks and acts like it. Choosing to design software such that it doesn't emulate bad aspects is pretty valid.
@jasonbrooks it should also be noted (with special hindsight from the last few years of geopolitics and the popular opinion of the masses) that the world is not in fact populated with or run by grown ups. Not only can we not tell if someone is a child or a dog or a foreign spy, but even the verifiable elected adult leaders are acting like petulant children. So no, software design matters a lot and network effects can destroy nation-states.
@wilbr I've had a very different experience with quote tweets. In my experience, they were used in a positive way -- but I did avoid negative people in my timeline.
I saw way more dunking happen with tweet screen grabs than with quote tweets.
You can just as easily post a toxic toot as a toxic quote toot.
@jasonbrooks I hear you, but hear me: if the quote dunking happens here (not just the ability to screenshot post but also the notifications and built-in harassment that came with it) then I'm out. Yes people can always screenshot but it's the dogpiling and the notification that you've been fed out of context to 100,000 rabid followers, that is truly terrifying.