Luna Rogue 🏳️⚧️🤖I feel like Right to Repair needs to include "right to update the thing to use third party servers" or something like that. We're creating e-waste just by preventing FW updates to point my litter box at anything but a hard coded URL signed by some keys that'll expire in a few years.
Delta Sierra@lunarogue 100% agree. The number of devices I've been forced to decommission due to this exact issue is embarrassingly high.
Svetlana 
@lunarogue Fellow Worker updates?
logan@lunarogue or instead of doing that. just let us operated them like any other computer.
most of them are just arm chips anyways, i could probably compile Gentoo to work just fine on one if the thing wasn't so locked down tight. #🤔
most of them are just arm chips anyways, i could probably compile Gentoo to work just fine on one if the thing wasn't so locked down tight. #🤔
near@lunarogue Obligation to open source firmware after a couple of years would be sweet
taylor 
@computersandblues @lunarogue just giving us the signing keys would be a good start
@tay @lunarogue i'm not sure i understand. aren't signing keys worthless if anybody has access to them?
@computersandblues @lunarogue Essentially, but they could just give us the keys when the servers are dead and it otherwise is bricked
Richard@lunarogue Totally agree. And we should avoid buying things that don't meet this test, though sometimes it's difficult to avoid these products. But it's annoying that very good standards exist for many of these things (e.g. Zigbee home automation) but manufacturers choose proprietary processes and locked-down systems.
グレェ「grey」@lunarogue this kind of work does happen, but it is rare and sporadic. One of my past employers was instrumental in neohabitat (which reimplemented a lot of proprietary server side code in a libre/free open source manner to facilitate the preservation of Habitat, the first MMO). Albeit, that employer had a Library of Congress granted DMCA exemption, the help of Randy Farmer (one of Habitat's original devs and creator of the JSON struct) and did various other software preservation work.
@lunarogue
Polaris Team's Polaris Private Server for Phantasy Star Online is a similar idea maybe with less attention or support?
Moreover, those examples are just from gaming.
It is far more critical to have open source in systems as related to government. How can any government claim to be transparent, if the systems' source code is not available?
Legislation that occurs in such secretive manners would be considered extralegal in most settings.
Power plays of corporations & evil doers.
Reina 
@lunarogue Should require all code to be FOSS so that we actually have a right to repair and bootloaders to be open so we can choose our own operating system on our devices.
Neil A. Evans@lunarogue This - so so many pieces of hardware are being created so companies can simply force you to buy them all over again. It's unacceptable.
Adam Ierymenko@lunarogue this leads to right to update firmware, which would be a good thing in general but hard to implement for teeny devices or specialized ones. Of course I’m old enough to remember when electronics came with schematics. Maybe we really should get back to that not just to reduce waste but to educate the next generation of engineers.
Jure Repinc 
@lunarogue Europeans can sign an open letter in support of something like that:
The universal right to install any software on any device
https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
The universal right to install any software on any device
https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
Pinkunz 🙃Our waste is their profit.
Chris Brown@lunarogue The proper response to Apple's claim of removing the charger from new phones was to lower emissions from shipping and waste of 'unneeded' chargers needed to simply be 'Fine, unlock the boot loader and let people stop e-waste from their old phones'. Wall garden your services/OS, open the hardware to allow others to move away when wanted/necessary.
Impress The Net@lunarogue My Grace Digital internet radio would agree with you.