I wonder how many people have been turned off of tabletop gaming in general by a combination of:
- thinking that dungeons and dragons is synonymous with tabletop RPGs because of years of cultural osmosis and Wizards marketing
- having an absolutely shitty first time where you drown in stats and numbers and get your ass kicked for your trouble by a DM who is at best playing the module as written and at worst is masturbating under the table as rot grubs eat your heart
@BestGirlGrace the fact that everybody assumes you have to play either D&D or Pathfinder is what really pushed me away from trying to find games. Especially once I started really looking at other systems and went “oh, there are better design choices to make!”.
Like GURPS.
Vehicles 3rd Edition.
Because at least that explains why you’re doing the math.
@DissonantEevee Exactly. Like, I used to think I hated crunchy systems because of d&d and pathfinder. Then I played Lancer, which is crunchy, yes, but it's delightful! They did so much work to make combat smooth and minimize dice rolls, and it's fun!
There are so many better games out there that just nobody ever hears about because D&D is what tabletop RPGs are to most people.
@BestGirlGrace D&D has the wrong kind of crunchy, because they acted to hide the math and told you to guess about how to balance it.
I haven’t tried Lancer, but I love GURPS, Traveller, Mutants & Masterminds.