@rhiaro

Same like with the strange “activities” table but now worse!
They "gave" us google captcha [facepalm emoji]

See IRC social

koherecoWatchdog (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Not my problem. As an end user, I know that there's usually a competing site that figured out how to avoid #CAPTCHA as abusive & obnoxious as reCAPTCHA & hCAPTCHA. Those sites win my business/interaction. Some of them use a simple math or text CAPTCHA, which is relatively tolerable. Some web admins are clever enough to isolate the CAPTCHA just to form submissions, in which case I just don't use the forms. @[email protected]

freeradical.zone

@rhiaro

I can reach out to w3c systems staff too! But I don't know to whom.
But sorry, this is inacceptable …

@sl007 @rhiaro You could try contacting one of their staff: https://www.w3.org/People
People of the W3C

@noisytoot
Yes, this is why I wrote to
@rhiaro

She got direct contact,
btw see their mission statement here :)

https://rhiaro.co.uk/2020/11/tag-statement

TAG nominee statement

@noisytoot
just in case this got lost https://toot.cat/@rhiaro/105459216919890753 and will keep you updated then.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention!

/ @rhiaro

https://rhiaro.co.uk/ (@[email protected])

@[email protected] I just contact them in the #sysreq channel on irc.w3.org. I'll send a message about the captcha - agree, that's bad - but will wait until after the this holiday period if that's okay, w3c sys team gotta rest too

toot.cat
@sl007 I just contact them in the #sysreq channel on irc.w3.org. I'll send a message about the captcha - agree, that's bad - but will wait until after the this holiday period if that's okay, w3c sys team gotta rest too

@rhiaro

Off course!
Thank you so much. I am sorry, but google+captcha is at least 1 trigger word too much.
I do not care so much if we help them to build selfdriving monopolies by identifying hydrants (I mean if the cars should drive self shouldn't they be able to think self, strange world) but:
It really destroys accessibility in the web and I am a bit shocked about such ignorance.

@sl007 do you mean accessibility as in a11y or general access? in terms of a11y as I understand google captchas have most a11y angles covered (eg. they do audio captchas for screenreaders etc) - pretty sure it wouldn't be legal in most jurisdictions not to

@rhiaro

No, I mean general access, sorry yesterday was so busy (and nice) at #rC3 that I saved every letter.

I mean exactly this
https://chaos.social/@kernpanik/105425539670654048

and my *personal* 2 cents:
ActivityPub should not support the monopolies to build their products.
It is always a bad sign to say

“Hey, but we need google to know if you are a human”
You can write down my phone number on the page and I try to talk to them and do trick questions and tell if they are a bot.

WE ARE HUMAN !

kernpanik 🐾 (@[email protected])

Dear web developers and admins, please stop embedding Google's hideous #ReCaptcha into your websites. Its algorithm is faulty, forcing regular users to click dozens or even hundreds of fire hydrants, bicycles, or traffic lights each day. It puts a 'suspicious activity' flag on users who won't obey to Google's business model - such as people who don't sign into Chrome, use anonymity VPNs, or use browser extensions to suppress common tracking mechanisms. Enough is enough. Stop it.

chaos.social
@sl007 yeh agreed, i always click away if something has a captcha and I don't absolutely need to use it. Unfortunately there's often no way around it :( I read something recently about better alternatives to captcha.. will try to dig that back up. I had not hit it on w3c sites before.

@rhiaro

This is linked in the end of the TAG issue
https://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/
It names alternatives.
If at least it would not be google.

But do we need Captchas at all?
What if (I know I'm a dreamer) the people could join the Social CG via fediverse?
Or it could be a simple button where they leave any fedi handle and someone checks once a month.
(How many bots did want to join Social CG yet?).

Bots can use browser extensions ;) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/buster-captcha-solver-for/mpbjkejclgfgadiemmefgebjfooflfhl

For AP Conf I had “traps” in the form.

Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA

Various approaches have been employed over many years to distinguish human users of web sites from robots. The traditional CAPTCHA approach asking users to identify obscured text in an image remains common, but other approaches have emerged. All interactive approaches require users to perform a task believed to be relatively easy for humans but difficult for robots. Unfortunately the very nature of the interactive task inherently excludes many people with disabilities, resulting in a denial of service to these users. Research findings also indicate that many popular CAPTCHA techniques are no longer particularly effective or secure, further complicating the challenge of providing services secured from robotic intrusion yet accessible to people with disabilities. This document examines a number of approaches that allow systems to test for human users and the extent to which these approaches adequately accommodate people with disabilities, including recent non-interactive and tokenized approaches. We have grouped these approaches by two category classifications: Stand-Alone Approaches that can be deployed on a web host without engaging the services of unrelated third parties and Multi-Party Approaches that engage the services of an unrelated third party.

CAPTCHAs are horrible · Issue #558 · w3ctag/design-reviews

Form submission abuse is a real issue, but the current solution of CAPTCHAs is a horrible and error-prone user experience. CAPTCHAs are an accessibility nightmare, provide an inconsistent UX, leak ...