I used to differentiate between Hindutva and Hindu but i don't think i shall bother any more. If Hindus don't believe in RSS fundamentalism and bigotry, they should stand up and say so.

@ranjona I believe we need to leave the space for not two but three distinct groups of Hindus.

a. Those who want a Hindu supremacist state
b.those who don't
c. those who feel Hindus should be privileged in some way but coexist peacefully with others and don't agree with the methods of (a).

While being (b), I see a whole lot of older folks I know, being (c).

@sandipb @ranjona yeah? This whole thing started when (c) became increasingly indoctrinated. The (c) are soft targets for manipulation by (a). The narrative goes something like. Support (a) as the idea of being superior is seductive. Accept there will be some collateral damage. Deny supporting facist doings. Lament we did not know this will happen but now we can’t do anything, Sorry

@tariquesani @ranjona

Agreed. But I am saying this as a person with the privilege of being who I am in India, and with the lack of privilege in where I live right now:

every society has a) evil b) people who are vulnerable to evil

I have accepted that a lot of people are just vulnerable to misinformation and manipulation, and that a lot of people are good in misleading and manipulating. All we can do is to protect the vulnerable among us.

@sandipb @ranjona I wholeheartedly agree about protecting the vulnerable amongst us and not ostracising them for having fallen prey to propaganda. The challenge for me is to do it without pulling my hair out or having an intense desire to whack them on the head with some tomes.
@tariquesani @sandipb
Though by vunerable you mean people unable to use their own brain power due to hatred and bigotry and whatsapp?

@ranjona @sandipb at the expense of sounding elitist - yes!

We as a race are super efficient aka kanjoos when it comes to using the most evolved organ in our body. 😎

Hindutva, by itself,is, as @audreytruschke
put it, morally indefensible.

That's why they have to hide behind Hinduism.

Let's ignore the bigots and work with religious Hindus to explore the dichotomy between Hinduism & Hindutva ; it is only by finding common ground with them can we build a nation that works for all of us.

I realize it can be rather frustrating, Ma'am, but there is no purpose to align to your opponents' strategy.

@tariquesani @ranjona @sandipb

@AmitRamesan @audreytruschke @tariquesani @sandipb
You mean don't antagonise Hindu believers and let them hide behind this convenient veil? Let them come out of hiding or declare themselves.

If Hindus are hiding behind the veil of Hindutva, it is out of fear. Knowledge sets them free.

Understanding the dichotomy is not going to happen by itself, it needs work.

So, we folks(lib, left, humanists, religious Indians) can decide to argue/fight perpetually against each other even if we are supposed to be on the same side, and win our own small battles, or we can decide to unite together to fight for a concrete result, a greater cause.

Our choice, really.

@ranjona
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