It should be fairly obvious by now that every project which has been forked over some perceived social injustice has quickly failed, being born and dying in irrelevance. Maybe if the spent some of the energy they spend harassing free software maintainers on perfecting the craft themselves, their forks would go somewhere

@sir I think that this conflates the success of a fork to the technical skill of the people forking it which isn't usually true. Half the reason why forks die is because other people don't contribute, partially because FLOSS has a tendency to be hostile towards minorities, (which is usually the reason the fork exists to begin with lol)

If we can raise awareness and empathy for marginalized groups within FLOSS, forks will be made less often, and be more successful when they do pop up.

@wgahnagl @sir The FLOSS community isn't hostile towards minorities, but it's very much focused on merit. If you yell loudly and often, but don't really bring any code to the table, people are more dismissive of your calls for action. Don't forget that most FLOSS software is also made for gratis by other people. Demanding they change the things they worked for in their spare time because you feel like it's something you deserve isn't "empathy for marginalized groups". That's just harassment.

As for the Glimpse fork of GIMP it's important to note that, in reality, the word "gimp" isn't offensive to the vast majority of the world. To demand a change that's relatively costly to most users, and to do so using harassment tactics[1], seems like a very strange thing to me if you're arguing for compassion and empathy.

[1]: I'm not saying you use harassment tactics, but the group demanding the rename on GitLab was.
@tyil but right, look at the first part of your argument. You mention minorities, and bring merit as almost an argument against them, by putting them at odds with each other. I know you didn't mean anything by it, but it's these very very small actions that build up to contribute to a hostile environment.
When you hear arguments about minorities in FLOSS constantly at odds with "merit", eventually you believe that the community doesn't aknowledge your skill, which is hostile. +
@tyil and specifically in the case of "gimp" being nonoffensive to most of the world, why do you value "most of the world" more than you value the few? Does it make a difference how many people are hurt when you know that people are hurting?
I think it really is an issue of empathy, and seeing the people on the other side of the argument as nothing more than people the other side of the argument. +
@tyil if you don't have people around you who will help you understand marginalized viewpoints, that's not a bad thing, but it's on you to look at yourself and think about the ways you might've pushed away their perspective, or silenced their voice.
@wgahnagl No, it's not "on me" to go out of my way to find things to be upset about that doesn't really affect anyone when looking at a reasonable scale.

There's bigger issues in the world that need much more attention that I'd prefer people would focus there efforts on, instead of trying to cater to the feelings of an abysmally small group of very toxic people.
@tyil but this is it, you know? I'm trying to describe to you you what I see as the disconnect between us, and help us fix it.
I feel that no matter what I write I can't convince you to value my argument if you don't take a step to see my perspective.
From here I feel that you've turned me into just "someone on the other side of the argument", which means we can't really communicate well.
@wgahnagl Are you just trying to make me look bad for not agreeing with you? That's a relatively sad step to take. There is a disconnect, but me feeling sad for people that have too much time on their hands, but no interest in fixing the actual problem is not something I feel should be "fixed". This catering to feelings all the time is a very bad turn for society, where people now have to fear for their social lives whenever they want to make a joke. References that have been known for decades will now get you vilified on the Internet. Your life's work will get you called a nazi. How is this ever a good thing?