Eugen RochkoI'm now getting DMs of support because people are afraid if they agree publicly they'll be harassed next. That's not a good atmosphere folks.
Lynn@Gargron this ain't it chief
J. Pere Duchat@Gargron We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.
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Skewt
WahooneyπΈYou're good people, @Gargron π
@Gargron Like... agree about what? No one thinks dogpiles are good. Many don't think he was meaningfully "dogpiled," is all.
a regular ham@Gargron this is disingenuous and you know it, Eugen.
emma is on jorts.horse now@Gargron Have you considered maybe stopping now
StevenDBT
Emoji Adderβ’οΈ@Gargron They will be fine. Wil was the problem. He's no longer a problem. I mean, you aren't being harassed and you said we bullied him off the site.
@Gargron Maybe you need to accept that your decision to limit the discussion is exacerbating the problem. I've been on numerous online forums (and that's all this is - a forum) and cutting off debate usually makes things worse.
IMO, you appear to basing your decisions on assumptions, not facts. Doing nothing allows people to release their pain in a safe environment. But you've chosen to mark them as "bad guys" here. Admins taking sides rarely helps. #Censorship of those in pain demeans them.
@Gargron First principle in dispute resolution: let people fully express their grievances. Mr. Wheaton's an adult who acted badly, but criticism of him online is not going to damage his ego or is opinion of himself. Criticism is healthy. If I did what he did, would you have made such a big deal if I received criticism from those whose pain I triggered? Of course not! I don't really care about the controversy that much, but I do care that people in pain be allowed to express their anger.
@Gargron Today, I no longer get triggered by fear of being outed or dehumanized by others. I outed myself as Bi & stopped being anon online several years ago. But I understand that the fear & anxiety Wheaton's actions - his actions, not just his words - caused others. Knee jerk responses never go well. You forgot to view them, not just Wheaton, with compassion. Try again. You want a healthy, constructive dialogue? That cannot happen when you limit what people can post about their anger/pain.
αOαTαΌ Oα΄ αΌEα©α―Eα@Gargron No one need fret over the quasi-celeb. He will move onto another social platform and alienate himself there before demanding special treatment, instead of using his considerable resources to create the echo chamber he is chasing after himself. Rinse, repeat ad nausium until he runs out of people to block because they had the gall to try to interact with him.
Piers Beckley@Gargron On record: I support your and the mod teamβs actions in this matter.
Johnny Rocco@Gargron Sorry I missed something, what are you getting support for? Harrassing for ppl for what. Not being wiseacre, I'm in the dark.
Fellixe@Gargron I support you. I moderated a political discussion forum and know the difficulty involved. It believe the moderators serve the community space more than the community individuals. They enforce rules of use in that space like a landlord does. The best rules describe a welcoming environment for the individuals to occupy and interact. But the moderator shouldn't be controlling that interaction in favor of one group or another. They should endeavor to keep the space open for all invited.
xylo@Gargron do your thing yo. Set the stage how you want it, with the atmosphere you want. If people don't like it, they can find their own place free of the things they're so upset about. I trust you to make good judgment calls and it seems like this is just Twitter bullshit being brought over.
So many people seem to think that unless something fits their exact specifications then it's an outrage -- it's impossible to please everyone, harder still to please those types.
Arthurakh1
Beelon Musk@Gargron BUZZ BUZZ
Arjan Koole πΊπ¦@Gargron it's a very toxic environment indeed.