MK ⛄I don't trust anybody who doesn't like Kylo Ren, send toot
James Snow@some_qualia I really think you get a lot of insight into people based on whether or not they think Kylo is beyond or deserves redemption or not
Azure too@Frumple_James @some_qualia can I think he's beyond redemption _and_ was completely fucked over by Luke Skywalker being a dipshit who thought "lemme try to kill my friend's kid rq" was a real solution to "this kid is a bad boy sometimes"?
I don't think anyone who thinks he's probably beyond redemption is bad FWIW. I guess it's more a case of I find it interesting who does and doesn't have that level of sympathy for him
@aguyuno2 @some_qualia Personally, I view him very much as a young man who's been radicalised and internalised the idea that violence is the only way to process his trauma
@Frumple_James @aguyuno2 I'm not sure he had trauma, although he clearly had a meh childhood.
I'm along for whatever. I really narrowly was focused on "but do you *like* him." Not necessarily redemption. Even people who think it's irredeemable might *like* him.
I definitely like him as a character xD
He's definitely traumatised by what happened with Luke and he's perhaps not traumatised by Han and Leia but he DEFINITELY has abandonment issues. Add to that Snoke basically manipulated and groomed him and... bad times for poor Kylo
@some_qualia @aguyuno2 Someone pointed out not long after TFA that Kylo was basically groomed from childhood by Snoke (something further evidenced by novels) and that was a real eye opener to me.
@Frumple_James @aguyuno2 That's certainly fan theory, and I see the subtext (and I was THERE on Tumblr, lemme tell you), but I as someone who is no longer in fandom... fandom theories are some of the sloppiest things and I am glad I don't have to take them too seriously.
@Frumple_James @aguyuno2 Like, I remember this #discourse. I wrote some of this discourse. I'm glad to be ~freeeeee