@azralon wow is dtluna still at it? I never understood the appeal of social media to people who very obviously don't want to have any meaningful relationships

@vroom this is a platform inside the fediverse, named pleroma. Their users are usually fascists and they like what is called "free speech".

@azralon @vroom This is absolutely wrong. Sure, some of the seedier bits of the old GNU Social set started Pleroma instances but blaming the software is pretty ridiculous.

@anarchosaurus @vroom I am talking about the ideological view that most pleroma users constructed around their platform. I am not blaming the software.

@azralon @vroom I don't understand that logic is all. But then, I also don't really see Pleroma and Mastodon as separate platforms. Rather separate entry-points into the same network which is likely why.

@anarchosaurus neither me. I see pleroma as part of the fediverse. But you can't deny some users there a pretty intolerants.

@azralon No, and I won't deny it. But I also don't think pleroma/mastodon as short-hands for intolerance/tolerance is a meaningful way to identify or address bigotry

@anarchosaurus No. What I am trying to say is that pleroma and mastodon constructed their community with different ideological views IN GENERAL. If you pay more attention you will see that pleroma has more liberals/ancaps and mastodon has more communists/anarchists, that is usually a more progressive and tolerant community.

@azralon I have noticed a difference, of course I only have a limited view of the fediverse. I don't see this as constructed with its implication of intention though. Pl instances tend to be a lot smaller as well, maybe that is also a dynamic at work also.

@anarchosaurus Yes. The users of these two platforms formed different views of the world. And most of pleroma users followed liberal ideas. I don't blame them, I blame the devs that ended up gathering such community. Mastodon and Pleroma could be united if they didn't accept that kind of "no rules and free speech" that most of the times end up in fascism.

@azralon This is even less coherent. I don't see what the devs have to do with it given how little control they have over users.

Part of the reason why Masto instances might seem more ordered is that it's harder to run one then Pleroma, so there are fewer of them - allowing a much more homogeneous community.

To be clear, I'm also opposed to the liberal vision of free speech you've mentioned. But I think your blame is totally misplaced.

@anarchosaurus This is coherent yes. The devs gathered this kind of community so it is their fault.

@azralon That's a reach

@anarchosaurus they didn't give limits to their users.

@azralon Such as?

It's free software, any technical limits that were placed could have easily been circumvented.

@anarchosaurus That instance don't have rules, neither admins. Pleroma is full of such instances.

@azralon Many like mine are single-user instances, in which case this is pointless. As another example, the user you mentioned earlier wouldn't have been stopped by such a thing since they are the instance admin.

If the common case were for Pleroma to have large instances like Masto I think you'd have a better argument that those moderation tools would make a big difference, but that isn't the case here. Your position that pl devs are somehow responsible for the behavior of their users is still not supported IMO.

@anarchosaurus yes it is supported because they had influence over the users when it was a small platform. Now they still have ideological influence because the first users influenced others, but they do not have control anymore and they can't, exactly because that is decentralized. They didn't impose a common agreement of no free speech and no fascism between instances in the beginning for example, like Mastodon did. Now it is too late.