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We're all just eager and happy to hand over every personal and private detail of our entire existence. The stasi wouldn't dare to dream about such a gigantic database that (almost) every citizen in this world adds to without giving it a secomd thought. We're fucked. Humanity is fucked.

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I don't think so, because the era of "everyone in a big database" will end eventually. Partly for social reasons. Partly because there will be a future war in which the big data warehouses are all destroyed in the initial "shock and awe" phase, then people will realize that location of data matters.
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@bob
Mankind is unfortunately rather reactive - as opposed to proactive. The FB-gate happened, but no thought is given on a party like Google - which has even more data about users/citizens.

I really do hope you are right, but right now I am a bit more pessimistic.

@jerry @[email protected] @drwho @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected]

@h3artbl33d @bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected] I think thought is being given, but few want to find out what the big G will do when its users start bailing in droves. At the very least, Google is one of the biggest identity providers out there.

@drwho
My personal opinion: we all have responsibilities. Hackers, tech enthousiasts, privacy fundamentalists in this area. By educating and informing friends, family and beloved ones, we can -at least- make a start and open dialogue. An advice like using Piwik/Matomo takes very little effort and might go a long way.

@bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected]

@h3artbl33d @bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected] It's a good way to get a co-op going.

"I can run $foo for all of you to use," where $foo is Piwik, Bolt, Wordpress, Etherpad, whatever.

Someone else says "I can run $bar for all of you to use."

And so on.

@drwho
We shouldn't compete if the endgame is taking back privacy. Nor should we force products and services on users, but rather educate them so they can make their own choice.

Misinformation, FUD and fanboyism only has losers in the long run.

@bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected]

@h3artbl33d @bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected] I don't think of it as competition. It's making offers to people within the first one or two jumps of the social graph - I want to help, I'll run this thing you might find useful for you. Maybe it's more like running stuff for family.

Or maybe I'm just assuming too much about how social graphs work these days, which is entirely possible.

@drwho

It is a difficult discussion. The people close to me, care about privacy. Unfortunately, that doesn't represent others.

I've setup decentralized services (like NextCloud, Searx, hosting) - that I offer to beloved ones for free. For me, it is more important that their privacy is respected than my earnings.

@bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected]

@h3artbl33d @bob @jerry @[email protected] @saxnot @h @Shufei @hhardy01 @niconiconi @[email protected] I have done something very similar, granting them access to some parts of my exocortex. Whether or not they choose to use that access is a different matter entirely.