*casually and charmingly stalks e-crushes to see how they're doing*

So I was thinking about deleting this comment b/c a lot of folks don't like, but I decided against it because I think it will help folks learn.

I didn't realize that it was a trigger for a lot of folks, so that's on me. It was not my intent to contribute to or normalize a toxic culture.

Fortunately, I have am followed by some cool people who've taken the time to show me the error without being insufferable pricks about it. Thanks for that.

My bad, y'all. I meant no harm.

@Are0h thanks for owning up to the bad. I really wish people would stop using stalking so casually, if you haven't experienced or watched someone else (esp a a woman) be stalked you just don't have the experience to know how absolutely terrifying it is. I almost flew out to another state on my dollar just to bodyguard for a friend afraid of her stalker. But I know a lot of people just don't "get" how serious it is so stuff like this is a learning experience :)

@ratbaby I haven't in either case, so I'm just not familiar with how bad it can be and is. For that reason, I have no issue with deferring to people who do have experience with it, as they know more about it than I do.

Ha, I think some people who don't like me on here for whatever reason used it as a proxy to express their dislike of me, so I'm always going to push back on that.

That said, that's a culture I definitely want no parts of, so I just thought I would make it clear.

@Are0h yeah people do that, it's like they wait on any reason to pounce on you for any minor fault and nah no thanks y'all. It's bullshit.

@ratbaby Yeah, that's a pet peeve with me, especially considering with how many random white people come at me looking for a fight because they want to take offense to whatever I'm saying at the the moment.

But every once in awhile, someone does have a point, even if they are being a straight prick about it.

It's important to me to make sure folks know I recognize and hear them, even if some people want to be assholes about it.

@Are0h
Hello, I'm writing you again. If you want me to stop now or in general, please say so.

I would like to ask you if you think I was just looking for a fight?

Also, I'd like to better understand why you framed me as a "dickhead". I was neither trying to be extra rude nor to be nice. I was very direct with my issue.
Also, "I have no idea what your problem is with me"? That's just confusing.

I like to work on myself. I don't hold a grudge. I like to understand.

@antifahnen I'm not sure what this is in reference to.

@Are0h
I made a comment around 2 weeks ago on a toot of yours:

https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/100158601921710424

@antifahnen Ah, yes. This one.

Well, I thought you were being an ass about it. I'm not above talking about it but I do not react well to people I don't know stomping into my timeline demanding this and telling stop what they interpret me doing.

That's a dickhead move in my book, because you don't need to be hostile or antagonistic.

I'm amenable to reason, not people being pricks because they're feeling self righteous.

@Are0h
Yes, I assumed quite a bit. I now think that was wrong of me. I'm sorry for that.

I think I reacted that way because _for me_ it was clear that using stalking in such a way is harmful.

I can't know how it's commonly used in your vocabulary and I shouldn't expect people to already be aware of everything I am aware of.

I tried to include reasoning (from my point of view). I'm happy you get the point from others.
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@Are0h
I think the part of your reaction that made it very hard for me to engage any further was
1. not giving any sign if the point I tried to make is giving you thoughts at all (I had the feeling that you just didn't care)
2. It takes time and resources to respond to something one considers harmful. I think it's okay to also be angry at first.
3. I consider "Grow up and learn how to talk to people" as a direct, personal attack against me. Am I wrong?

@antifahnen Well, yeah. I don't really respond well to people coming at me with so much aggression.

1. I can't do anything about what you feel if you don't use your words. And I'm not the type to let people take swipes at me.

2. Yes, I"m well aware of that. I deal with people asking me to expend energy everyday to talk about my views on racism. That is not unique to you.

3. Like I said before, I don't react well to people I don't know coming at me with such hostility.

@Are0h
1. Of course. My feelings are mine to own.
2. Clearly, it's not something specific to me. I felt it's important to just bring it up.
3. That's okay. What I'm personally not okay with is when someone attacks me and then denies it. I had the feeling you did that and that I was getting mocked for recognizing a part of what you wrote as an attack.

@antifahnen I have no idea how you had the feeling I was 'attacking' you when it was you that instigated a hostile exchange.

It is disingenuous to claim you are being 'attacked' when you engage in a very hostile and quite rude manner.

If you want a better response, don't be hostile to a person that does not know you. Easy.

@Are0h
It might seem easy for you but it certainly isn't easy for me.
I try to understand why it came off as rude (which of course is nobodies responsibility but my own). The most demanding part of what I wrote was "Stop invalidating this term" from what I can notice. Other than that I tried to explain my point and reasoning in a very direct manner - "please, don't do this"

@antifahnen Then that is where the disconnect is happening.

If it's hard for you not to be hostile to someone you do not know, then that is something you need to work on, which is why I said you need to learn how to talk to people.

Further, no one is invalidating anything. I expressed a thought poorly. I found both your general rudeness and your attempt to force a context on me to justify your rudeness deeply offensive.

You need to work on that if you want positive exchanges.

@Are0h
It's hard for me to know what you mean with saying I'm just clearly a straight prick about it.
That's not the same as not knowing at all how to be nice to strangers.

"Stalking" has a strong history of violence, especially against women. With using it for "casually checking social media" this meaning gets weakened because of the totally different context. That's why I did and still do claim that this use invalidates the meaning and history of that word.
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@Are0h
I do not in any way claim or say that you did that on purpose. Like you said, you expressed a thought poorly. That can happen.

You cannot know about the history of a term and use in a different context. I think that even so it can do harm. I think I'm allowed to call that out. Yes, I did make mistakes in the way I called you out.

@antifahnen You can claim whatever you like now, but that is not how you came off in your initial response to me.

The use of language is not that cut and dry and you know that. Oversimplifying how we use words to justify what you feel is happening is just as dangerous and does not solve the core issue: finding common ground so we can both move forward.

Calling people out is cool, but using that as a proxy to be an asshole to a person you don't know is not cool. And you know that.

@Are0h
I know now after writing all these messages that it came off in a way I was not expecting. I already learned a lot and I want to thank you that you took your time to respond to me. I value that.
I'm gonna take my time to process all of this.
Wish you a nice day/night.

@antifahnen If that is the result of this back and forth, cool.

And no problem. Things go a lot smoother when we talk to each rather than at each other. It's so much easier to find common ground when we can speak to each other.