An unexpected but interesting Toki Pona connection turned up:
cerises | 8 Jan 2015
It made me think of Polari for some reason, immediately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari
www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jan/08/toki-pona-invented-language-memrise
cerises | 8 Jan 2015
It made me think of Polari for some reason, immediately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari
www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jan/08/toki-pona-invented-language-memrise
cerises | 8 Jan 2015
It made me think of Polari for some reason, immediately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari
www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jan/08/toki-pona-invented-language-memrise
Alex42 | 8 Jan 2015
I don't think the creator is under the impression that this will be as useful as Spanish on your holiday to Benidorm. But there are other uses. Lots of people believe they're bad at languages, mostly due to the inept, half-hearted way they're taught in schools. However learning an easy language like this could give people the confidence to attempt a "proper" language.
Also by having to come up with your own definitions for everything and still be understood, it sounds like a fantastic tool for boosting your mental agility as well as being fun.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jan/08/toki-pona-invented-language-memrise
Alex42 | 8 Jan 2015
Very interesting! The hardest thing about having a conversation in another language is realising that you don't know the word for a specific thing and then having to come up with another way of expressing yourself without missing a beat. It's like playing Articulate.
We were moving house and I remember wanting to say "that pile of CDs" in Spanish, but not knowing the word for pile. I substituted "mountain" which is clearly wrong but is still perfectly understandable. This language seems tailor-made for people who are good at doing that sort of thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jan/08/toki-pona-invented-language-memrise
My reaction about this post:
The word 'pu' is indeed a self-referential word, but in 'pu' itself, it doesn't mean the official book but is only defined as 'ADJECTIVE interacting with the official Toki Pona book' and strangely it is defined as an adjective while it's verbal usage is far more attested (even in the book itself).
Pu was a reserved word from early on (as early as 2009 when the official site was in wiki modus IMHO) but wasn't officially defined until to book (prior to that it was considered meaning 'semi-colon' or 'book' by some people).
Pu is also an indirect reference to the Tao become Pu is a Tao concept ; Wikipedia's article on it starts as this :
Pu is a Chinese word meaning "unworked wood; inherent quality; simple" that was an early Daoist metaphor for the natural state of humanity, and relates with the Daoist keyword ziran (literally "self so") "natural; spontaneous". The scholar Ge Hong (283-343 CE) immortalized pu in his pen name Baopuzi "Master who Embraces Simplicity" and eponymous book Baopuzi.
The Preface of the e-book opens like this: "I begin with the name of the Divine.' So the self-referential sacred nature can be stated ...
... but in the same preface, jan Sonja states "This is way I use Toki Pona.", a statement that can be interpreted there are also other ways of using the same language.
For people really wanting more words, there is now also a Tokiponida called Toki Ma, which wants to be an minimalistic international auxiliary language (IAL) ; information on it is findable at <https://sites.google.com/view/toki-ma>
Thanks for this great article on Toki Pona !
Pieter Jansegers, alias jan Pite Janseke
my comment on
Toki ma the language of the world NOTE: The info on this site is now outdated. Please go to the new site for an updated version. Introduction toki ma is a minimal international auxiliary language. It is based in and extends toki pona, a philosophical artistic constructed language created by Sonja
Introduction to toki pona
M4rt4a | 2015
Hello,
lately I have seen a lot of posts with introductions of different languages. I find it extremely interesting, as a person who is interested in way more languages than I will ever be able to learn. But since my native language is already in the incubator I guess there is no point in explaining it.
Therefore I've decided to introduce something else, something I found out about two months ago and got into it right away. And that's toki pona.
It's a constructed language which was published online around 2001 by translator and linguist Sonja Lang. It has 120 root words, which you can use to create different ones.
For example:
suno means sun or light, ilo means tool or device
but if you combine it
ilo suno means flashlight
Other interesting thing are color names, there are only five of them: pimeja means black, walo means white, loje means red, jelo means yellow, laso means blue,
So what do you do if you want to get another color? Green, for that matter? You just have to use the same rules you would in art class, combine the colors - simple as that.
So for green you just add yellow and blue: green - jelo laso/ laso jelo
The situation is similar with numbers - in toki pona you have only wan (one), tu (two) and luka (five), the others are created by adding existing ones.
2 + 1 = 3
tu + wan = tu wan
the name 'toki pona' means 'good language' and its roots come from many different languages, like English, Finnish, Esperanto, Chinese etc.
I'm aware that there are people who think that learning new language is meaningful only when it is practical, when you can use it on a daily basis or when it helps you at work but I believe that knowledge alone has a very high value. Not to mention that language is fascinating.
With that being said, I hope you enjoyed it.
Best wishes,
Marta
February 1, 2015
https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/6769701/Introduction-to-toki-pona
#TokiPona #kama_sona #jan_sona #komento #anno2015
NB : There is an interesting conversation in the comments in not perfect Toki Pona, but nontheless very comprehensible ...
Some comments on Toki Pona script
FEB 20, 2019
http://www.storytotell.org/post/some-comments-on-toki-pona-script/
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Myrddin
Re: toki pona
23 Fév 2010
C'est vrai qu'à ce titre le là, le toki pona a quelque chose d'un peu novlang, mais c'est quelque chose que toute les idéolangues ont en commun, et particulièrement les auxlangs étant donné qu'elles sont faites pour cadrer avec un mode de pensée, qui ne peux pas être universel, et qui finalement n'engage que celui qui a créé cette langue.
La notion de pona, le bien en toki pona, n'est pas seulement le bien, mais aussi la simplicité. Le bien est quelque chose de relatif, et le toki pona véhicule sa propre conception du bien. A l'inverse ike signifie le mal, mais aussi "compliqué". Une phrase en novlang comme "Big brother is notgood" ( "Big brother est inbon" dans la traduction ) est, en plus de n'avoir aucune valeur argumentative, complètement paradoxale puisque ce qui est "good" dans le sens novlang, c'est ce qui se rapporte à Big Brother.
Alors comment par exemple parler en toki pona, de chaos ( la théorie du chaos ) et de complexité au sens physique, qui sont des choses bien plus créatrice que ne le sont l'ordre et la simplicité des phénomène physique déterministes ? ike pali ( le compliqué qui crée ) ou encore ike pona ( la bonne complexité ) ?
Le toki pona touche ici, à mon avis, les limites de sa philosophie propre.
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Madridano:
Mike no necesita crear un idioma más fácil que el esperanto.Ya existe: se llama "Toki pona". Curiosamente, el Toki pona fue creado por una esperantista canadiense, Sonja Elen Kisa.
Ver : http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_pona
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Objetivamente es innecesario, independientemente del Toki pona. Si lo que le interesa es tener un idioma internacional más fácil de aprender lo suyo es apoyar al esperanto porque funciona, está en uso, tiene historia y características que no se consiguen solo por hacer una gramática. En ese sentido no tiene lógica empezar de cero, con todo lo que conlleva eso.
Por otro lado el Toki pona, no es una lengua pensada para el uso diario y por eso no cumple las expectativas de idioma internacional.
Ĝis, Novatago.
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On the other hand, Toki pona is not a language designed for daily use and therefore does not meet international language expectations.
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