@volkris It's unfortunately a core problem with this platform, but we shouldn't pretend it's not.
It's being worked on, though, and it has been since 2023 when @silverpill wanted to implement nomadic identity in Mitra, but without moving to the Nomad protocol.

Current status as far as I'm informed:

• Mitra has at least got support for nomadic identity via ActivityPub in a development version.
• (streams), a Hubzilla descendant by Hubzilla's and Friendica's creator, has had support for nomadic identity via ActivityPub in its stable release for months. It doesn't rely on it, though, because it uses Nomad for that.
• Forte, a (streams) fork by the same developer, is the first Fediverse server application to actually rely on ActivityPub for nomadic identity. It's still experimental and a "closed alpha", though.
• The building blocks of nomadic identity as implemented in Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte are being cast into ActivityPub FEPs such as FEP-ef61 "Portable Objects".

The long-term goal is to make nomadic identity available for everything that uses ActivityPub. Unlike now, moving instances and cloning and sharing identities shall not be limited to within the same project, but all across the whole Fediverse. But even if this should become stable one day, and I'm pretty sure it will, the next obstacle will be adoption by the various Fediverse projects.

CC: @Jürgen Hubert

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@Jürgen Hubert This is very much not a unique selling point of Mastodon. Mastodon is not the only decentralised software that lets you move servers, nor is Mastodon the decentralised software that's best at moving servers, or where it's the easiest, nor is it unprecedented.

I'm writing to you from Hubzilla (official website). It was originally created in 2012, almost four years before Mastodon. And it was created with the goal to roll out an entirely new feature to the Fediverse: nomadic identity (semi-official website).

I can move my entire identity from one server to another in one go, including:

• all my posts and private messages, including conversations
• all my connections (followers and followed are unified here by default); connections on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte are even automatically re-written to my new identity on the other side (can Mastodon do that with non-Mastodon connections?)
• all settings for all my connections
• all my channel-wide filter entries
• all individual filter entries for my connections
• my NSFW keyword list
• all my privacy groups (= lists) with everyone in them
• the whole channel configuration
• all my files including the directory structure in my file space
• my federated event calendar
• my CalDAV calendars
• my CardDAV addressbook
• my articles
• my wikis
• all modifications I've done to the theme on my channel
• all modifications I've done to any pages on my channel (yes, I can completely re-arrange them)
• etc.

The only thing that I think doesn't come with me is which apps I have activated.

I can easily do so using only Hubzilla's UI, all through the wire within a few minutes, without having to export or import anything.

After moving, the channel is automatically deleted on the old server. And if the account on the old server has no more channels on it, the account is deleted, too. Moving on Hubzilla leaves no dead accounts or channels behind.

And this is just a subset of what nomadic identity was originally designed for: cloning channels. Instead of moving my channel to another server, I can also create a bidirectional, live, hot real-time backup which I can log into and use just like I can log into and use the original. I can make as many clones as I want, and they're synchronised with each other. I can declare a clone the "original" and demote the previous "original" to clone (which is part of what happens when I move). This makes my channel resilient against servers shutting down.

Again, all this has been available since 2012, almost four years longer than Mastodon. On something which is part of the Fediverse, and which has been continuously federated with Mastodon for as long as Mastodon has been around.

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@mvario @GottaLaff There’s a thing at @FediTips about completing your instance move, you need to go back and do a little jiggling to instruct the old account to export (or your new account to import) all the old followers. Took me an extra day-ish to finish but everyone came along. #moveInstance #AskFedi #movingservers