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@john Everyone has their own values. Google and Apple's walled gardens are not "good" in my book (they're also forced onto the average user as the default options due to the smartphone duopoly).

But the "Proton ecosystem" is a better choice than the Google ecosystem, and they're definitely one of the better (but not perfect!) mainstream mail (and more) providers, at least in terms of privacy.

Ideally though, you should try to avoid locking yourself into any platform or ecosystem by either self-hosting more (the best option) or spreading the services you use between more trusted companies (e.g. Proton for mail, Tuta for calendar, Mullvad for VPN).

And you should always have an "easy(-ish) escape route" prepared to leave a platform in case it goes bad (e.g. offline backups of important data).

@john Yeah, I can understand and agree. That is why having more control over your sensitive data is the best move.

But also, one can hope that they can upkeep the values that make everyone use them in the first place, and also having most if not all of their clients open-sourced helps mitigate some of these risks at least a little bit.

In some instances you shouldn't let perfection be the enemy of good, but you should obviously still be critical and skeptical of all companies, and switch to more self-hosted/self-controlled solutions whenever possible.

@john
You're correct, a password manager that's fully local and managed by you is the best option (if we're talking about KeePassXC/DX).

I recommended #ProtonPass because it's the other most trusted and competitive "cloud/online password manager" option for the average user (afaik), and I'd hesitate to recommend any other potentially "less-established" companies for holding your passwords (but #KeePass does remain the supreme option imo if you can manage it).

https://essentials.techlore.tech/#password-managers

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An update on the story about #Bitwarden's potential march towards #enshittification

#foss #bigtech #digitalsovereignty (switch to?) #ProtonPass

And Proton generally has good reputation in the privacy and transparency space as well
@WanderingInDigitalWorlds
Yeah, I feel you. And well, I just think that passwords are incredibly sensitive, so for that you must use something as transparent and trustworthy as possible (and imo being open-source is a bare minimum prerequisite for that).

@WanderingInDigitalWorlds
I understand, just wanted to mention it.

I believe that #ProtonPass is definitely the best alternative to Bitwarden, other atlernatives like 1Password are proprietary and thus worse.

@gagagoogle
Well if you're using one of the local (open-source) client apps over the web version I'd really hope they can't remotely block you from using the vault export feature if they wanted to, since the local client on Android for example seems to store a copy of them offline(?)
But maybe they could remotely log you out of your account, I'm unsure, but I wouldn't fearmonger too much yet.
@WanderingInDigitalWorlds
Also worth keeping in mind that self-hosted/local solutions like KeePass(XC) exist if you prefer having the most control over your passwords and are able to keep backups of them safely
https://essentials.techlore.tech/#password-managers
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