Whatever others from veganism social found, that wasn't shared with me, Vegan Pub, the space which I found and joined, is on Matrix, https://matrix.to/#/%23vegan:pub.solar
I am with the profile for my account @fredvegb:matrix.org, on Matrix, which I have access to with my Android using the Element X app, there are other ways on computer or other devices. I will be there using it.

Animals kept in captivity, and as in pet stores being bred for that, to go to being sold, to anyone who will pay, is not ethical treatment of animals. It may be better than slaughterhouses but that isn't saying much. There are other unethical ways animals are treated besides in slaughterhouses, and being held in captivity to be sold to anyone without any checks, while being bred for that, is certainly having unethical treatment of animals. Humans want freedom, animals should have that as well. And certainly there are animal sanctuaries, but there should be many more, for animals who cannot have reasonable abilities to survive in wild environments to still have what freedom there can be, which billions of animals that there are in captivity would want.

Nume (@nm) who was involved in the start of veganism.social, is not responding to me when I ask about getting into veganism.chat, which he brought up, now it does not look to me like he is there on this Mastodon server still. Many posts from him are gone and I do not see current posts from that account. I was going to still ask if I can just be directly invited to that Matrix space, as I have a Matrix account that I took because I saw it was Matrix being used for veganism.chat. But with the link provided I was taken to this page, for instruction that with an account on Matrix I could come to this page to log in, for joining veganism.chat, but when I did, or still would, I would be brought to my Matrix account, with no veganism.chat to be found, whatever I did. Is it not there anymore? If not, where is Nume? If it is, all this effort was so that I would get in that chat. Is it possible even? Can I be invited with my Matrix account being given? Or is it gone, while Nume is also gone? I post this among my posts, as his post about it that I would have now responded to is gone, like other posts. @nm where are you? I do not understand why it is not working for me. I still do not get to veganism.chat and it does not come up with a search. If it can be joined what should be done?

@nm I do not understand why but it is not working for me. Clicking on it has it requiring me to have the Element app for use of Matrix. Then I need to log on. Veganism.chat does not come up for that, and I need a Matrix account. Then when I have it, I still do not get to veganism.chat, it does not come up with a search, and clicking on the link site does not take me to veganism.chat but to my Matrix account then. Why can I not get to it? Would you have a way to invite me to it?

Late in life I found information that we could be healthy without meat in our diet and saw I could continue without it, and was happy with thinking this way did not contribute to the slaughter of animals. That was just about twenty years ago. It was before I was online. But with use of online access, I learned in group communication about the issues to all animals in the industries, the effect on environment, the greater use of land, water, and resources, I knew to give up all animal products, a couple of years after that I found the healthier way with whole foods from plants avoiding processed stuff that comes in food many choose. I see benefits with this healthy way, and now know to use a lot of variety, which is best.

It is not unreasonable to not limit compassion from any that really want to live, being human should not be a prerequisite for being a subject of compassion.