Kailh choc switch review (and trampolining discussion) - Lemmy.world
Over the past half year or so, I have been using two cornes as my main drivers.
One at home, the other at my workplace office. I tried four different kinds of
switches. I’d like to share how I feel about them. The switches are: - Kailh
choc v1 pink (linear, 20 gf) - Kailh choc v1 white (clicky, 50 gf) - Kailh choc
sunset (tactile, 40 gf) - Kailh choc v2 brown (tactile, 55 gf) I used all of
them with hot-swap adapters, so they just sit directly on the PCB. No case, no
top plate. I attached a piece of children’s sponge rubber to the bottom of the
PCB to protect the diodes. For those unfamiliar with it, trampolining is a
modification of the switch where you take the switch apart and insert a small
object into the tube of the switch’s stem, preventing the switch from being
pressed all the way down. # Kailh Choc v1 Pink These switches are way too easy
to press by accident, either by just resting my hands on the keyboard, or not
correctly hitting the center of a switch, touching a neigbour switch. When you
start to push them down, as soon as they leave their resting position, they
become very wobbly and shaky, not moving down in a guided, straight line. This,
combined with the low switch force, makes a horrible typing experience. I made
many typing mistakes, just because of how mushy the keys feel. I used them for
two days, and put them back in the box. Praise the hot-swap sockets. # Kailh
Choc v1 White They have some pre-travel before a slight tactile bump, and the
click happens just after the the tactile bump. After the click, there is almost
no post-travel until they bottom out. I like my switches with as little
pre-travel as possible, so theoretically I shouldn’t like them. The tactile
feeling, combined with the click feels and sounds good though, they feel
responsive and springy. My problem with these switches is that the actuation
point is before the tactile bump, so if you press them only slightly, they
actuate without bump or click. Typing on these switches requires a certain sense
of passion, every keypress should be a continuous, swingful movement all the way
over the click. Trampolining is not possible, becasue there is not much
post-travel after the click. Both at home and at work, I’m sharing my office
with others, so unfortunately clicky switches are a no-go for me, because of the
noise they make. I used them for a day at home, liked the feel, but they have
too much travel overall, can’t be modded, and are too noisy. # Kailh Choc Sunset
These switches have no pre-travel before the tactile bump, the tactile bump
starts exactly at the switch’s rest position. This feels really great. There is
some post-travel after the tactile bump until they bottom out. Trampolining is
possible. I trampolined the switches with 1 mm ceramic mill balls. My sister got
a sampler of such balls at an exibition, and was kind enough to give them to me.
1 mm reduction of the post-travel is not enough, there is still too much
post-travel for my liking. Bottoming out on ceramic feels a bit harsh, but at
the same time crisp and defined. The sampler also included 2 mm balls, but those
don’t fit in the stem holes of the keys. My biggest gripe with the sunsets
however, and this is a bit hard to discribe, is how scratchy they feel. It is as
if the tactile bump itself is not an entirely smooth hill, but there is an ever
so slight roughness to it. Maybe comparable to swiping over a mirror with a wet
finger. It just feels a bit off. The roughness can be felt both on the way down,
and on the way up. The switches came factory-lubed, you can see the lube shining
on the stem. Not sure if it has anything to do with the lube. I have been using
the switches for about half a year now. They are much better than the pinks and
whites, but definitely not my endgame. # Kailh Choc v2 Brown This is endgame
material. Just like the sunsets, the tactile bump starts all the way up at the
switch’s resting position. Contrary to the sunsets, the tactile bump is smooth
and satisfying. The switches activate just after the hardest point of the bump,
but before the bump is completely over, exactly how it should be. After the bump
there is quite some post-travel until bottom-out. These are by far my favourite
switches of the batch I bought, especially with trampolining. The biggest
problem with these switches is finding the right keycaps. Since the switches are
lower than reguler MXs, standard MX keycaps tend to touch the switch housing. I
have two sets of keycaps, one a bit larger than the other. The larger ones go
over the switch housing, but just barely. While pressing a key, the inner wall
of the keycap scratches along the switch housing. That’s a very unpleasant
experience. The smaller keycaps don’t scratch like that, instead they hit the
small black rim of the lower half of the switch housing. That happens after the
bump, and doesn’t feel too bad. I tried to trampoline them in two ways, with the
1 mm ceramic balls, and with small sections cut from rubber o-rings. The o-rings
were included as dampeners with one of the keycap sets. Again, the ceramic balls
are a little bit too small to reduce the post-travel in a meaningful way. With
the rubber pieces you are more flexible in how much travel you want to reduce. I
made them long enough that the switch bottoms out just after the tactile bump.
Sometimes I made the piece too large, preventing the switch from actuating. This
is easily fixed though, by taking the rubber piece out and cutting a thin slice
off of it with a sharp knife. Modded like this, both sets of keycaps don’t touch
the switch housing anymore, the switches bottom out just after the tactile bump,
before the walls of the keycaps come near the housing. I tried some other
materials for trampolining, but none of them worked properly. The sponge rubber
I used as bottom layer for my cornes is too soft to stop the key. Bamboo
toothpick tips didn’t cut off cleanly and splintered in unusable pieces. Some
floral wire I had was too thin. Rubber o-rings are the way to go. They create a
very pleasant rubbery bottom-out feeling. On the pictures you can see the bigger
keycaps. The left key has no trampoline and no o-rings. The middle key has a
trampoline and three o-rings. The right switch has a trampoline but no o-rings.
There is no difference between no o-rings and two o-rings. Only with three
o-rings there is a difference. The middle key sits a bit higher than the right
key, but the overall travel distance and bottom-out feeling is the same, and is
entirely determined by the trampoline. You can see that neither of them goes
over the black rim of the switch housing, while the left key goes over the
switch housing when pressed.