“strawman”

Good for you, I am impressed! Now help us convince all the other democrat voters to do the same and we might actually be able to fix this.

I have not seen many leftists not agree that both votes are for genocide - that’s just a given.

Neither have I. I’ve seen hundreds of liberals argue that fact, though. I’ve had comments deleted elsewhere on Lemmy for “misinformation” for stating that Harris is genocidal.

So I apologise for not sharing your hopeful perspective that we can change the system after the election, because your peers refuse to acknowledge that the system needs to be changed. Perhaps you need to be replying to commenters other than me, because you don’t need to persuade me. Persuade THEM. The rest of the democrat-voting public.

Yet more oppressive shit for no good reason.

Who fucking cares if someone knows, or doesn’t, who, or what, a legislator is? It doesn’t matter. 99.999% of voting adults might just about be able to name the President, but we don’t need them to confirm that. All they need to do is put a mark next to a candidate whom presumably they’ve heard about. Or maybe they haven’t. Who gives a shit? The important thing is that we do not exclude people who do give a shit.

The sort of tests you propose historically have been used to disenfranchise black voters, and you’re just suggesting that they be used to disenfranchise young voters. More phrenology vibes.

Your whole “private poll booth” thing is again just needless and exclusionary. Again, what’s to stop an adult child being coerced into voting a certain way, or an adult with an abusive partner, or even just housemates? All of these people and more are very capable of manipulating others into serving their interests, and yet you are only interested in abridging the rights of children. Maybe we should also force disabled people to come and vote in person, too? And if they can’t, because their wheelchair doesn’t fit, well… at least they weren’t coerced!!

We know a lot about how brains develop, what parts of the brain do what, and so on

I’m not convinced that we do. We think we know a few things, but a lot of what we “knew” about brains has been proven completely wrong time and time and time again. This is just the latest, wrong, thing. So yeah, phrenology. I’m not interested in it at all.

This obsession with making something which is not measurable (maturity) into something which is (number of days alive on the planet) isn’t helpful. So god knows why we add that extra hoop of “brain development” into there, it’s just yet another unknown unmeasurable.

Absolutely, we would. You know what makes it really hard to dismantle? Having all these fucking smarmy assholes who will tactically vote for Hitler absolutely refusing to acknowledge that they’re supporting genocide.

Just admit it, and we can actually start working on fixing it.

Okay, cool. Go ahead and state the case, then, if it’s such an obvious fact. Go ahead and say “I will be voting for a genocidal candidate this election, because that is what my country’s political system forced me to do.”

I will be truly impressed if you actually do it.

Most people find some excuse not to. That’s the problem we have.

No, see, it’s quite easy. If I am elected President, I will immediately end all supply of munitions, arms and intelligence to Israel, and I will begin a review of all other forms of state aid provided to Israel with a view to ending all financial support, as soon as possible.

See how easy that is?

If you even admit that Kamala supports genocide, then there’s nothing to talk about. I am only interested in communicating with people who engage with reality as it is. Take your QAnon-adjacent fantasies elsewhere.

I regularly have arguments with people who refuse to acknowledge that Kamala Harris is genocidal, so no, I wouldn’t say that everyone does know this.

I’m a leftist. I don’t want you to change whoever you’re voting for, vote what you feel is right.

What I do want you to do is be honest. I believe that the only way we can fix things is to admit the reality of the situation that we’re in.

I want you to admit that you’re voting for a genocidal candidate. Because either way if you’re voting Trump or Harris, you’re voting a genocidal candidate.

Once you can admit that, then we can start thinking about fixing it.

If you’re just going to shove your hand in the sand and refuse to acknowledge your complicity in the system, then you are a slave to it.