@viticci my take is that I’d rather let market forces determine what companies do with their products than governments enforcing regulation. I’m interested to see how it works out though. It never hurts to shake the tree and the AppStore has been too stagnant the last 5 years. Poking a hole in Apple’s walled garden makes me a bit nervous. CroudStrike showed what unintended decisions can lead to.

@johnaldis my comment isn’t an argument about copyright law, it is about what what the technology allows. If you post an HTML page on a public server, anyone can copy it. Why are people posting information they believe is copywrited on a medium that can be easily copied.

@johnaldis I’m not quite following the argument. Are you saying that by default all HTML pages are copyrighted by default?
An HTTP server doesn’t address copyright (and that it what I am saying is the problem). The server just gives the content to anyone who asks for it.

@viticci I think what we are getting at is that HTML (web pages) needs to have DRM (rights management) baked in, even for text, which it currently doesn’t. An HTML file should explicitly state the rights of the content creator and shouldn’t allow a bot to read it without prior consent of the creator. We need DRM built into HTML 6. HTML was originally built to freely distribute information and it is obviously broken if creators can’t protect LLMs from scraping their content.

@viticci I struggle with the idea that LLM training on the “open web” is stealing. Maybe you can explain what the open web means to you. In the 90s when the web was taking its roots, there was an idea that the web was a place to freely publish information that would be freely available to anyone. The web has evolved since then, but if you don’t want to give away your content freely to people or bots, why not put it behind a soft paywall? Thanks again for the great podcast.

@sdw @halide thanks for great app!

@siracusa interesting. Thanks.