@malwaretech #IANALinguist and English has its many issues but this one is far from unique among languages, and probably inherited via the French/Norman influence. Spanish, French, and Portuguese have this same structure for 11-15. Guessing that it ties back to ancient times people just needed words for up to 15 somethings.
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@yazad3 Thank you. Hadn't seen the fake pet charity allegation yet. If he committed "clear" crimes, because those are easier to charge and less politically-laded, we'll probably never fnd out what other recourse could have been followed for generic lies to obtain office.
I am asking the same question. Seems like there are both state and federal angles as Rep is a federal office. Also wondering about civil recourse. Any lawyers care to offer #NotLegalAdvice ?
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@[email protected] Question to those legal types: What Federal (or NYS) criminal and laws are implicated if someone objectively lies about their record (and in what forums) and maybe or maybe not as a result, is elected? As George Santos is alleged to have done (decent article link below) FWIR, civil fraud requires four elements - a lie or statement made in reckless indifference to the truth - made to a specific audience - reliance on that fraudulent statement - a tort (damage) #NotLegalAdvice If the candidate submitted or allowed his organization to submit incorrect info a) on his own election-specific website, b) to a pseud-official sources such as ballotopedia, or c) to an official government entity that had as its purpose making that info available to voters, what Next question - suppose this is only a civil matter. Suppose other people helped him and can be show to have repeated or enabled these fraudulent statements (e.g. conspiracy to commit fraud) - what is their actual or statutory damage that can be claimed for having their (or other people’s vote) misdirected? Interested to hear answers, I think it’s probably not civilly addressable in practice, which is why a criminal statute would be required to disincentivize this type of behavior. https://rollcall.com/2022/12/22/criminal-ethics-probes-sought-over-background-of-rep-elect-george-santos/ #legal #fraud #elections #federallaw #NYStateLaw #IANAL #legalquestion #failuremode
Question to those legal types:
What Federal (or NYS) criminal and laws are implicated if someone objectively lies about their record (and in what forums) and maybe or maybe not as a result, is elected? As George Santos is alleged to have done (decent article link below)
FWIR, civil fraud requires four elements
- a lie or statement made in reckless indifference to the truth
- made to a specific audience
- reliance on that fraudulent statement
- a tort (damage)
#NotLegalAdvice
If the candidate submitted or allowed his organization to submit incorrect info a) on his own election-specific website, b) to a pseud-official sources such as ballotopedia, or c) to an official government entity that had as its purpose making that info available to voters, what
Next question - suppose this is only a civil matter. Suppose other people helped him and can be show to have repeated or enabled these fraudulent statements (e.g. conspiracy to commit fraud) - what is their actual or statutory damage that can be claimed for having their (or other people’s vote) misdirected?
Interested to hear answers, I think it’s probably not civilly addressable in practice, which is why a criminal statute would be required to disincentivize this type of behavior.
#legal #fraud #elections #federallaw #NYStateLaw #IANAL
#legalquestion
#failuremode
For those who find the science or the people interesting, strongly recommend Richard Rhodes’s “The Making of the Atomic Bomb” which details the people and relationships behind the physics and chemistry which led to …. Meitner receives significant coverage for her scientific contributions. It’s almost a survey of early molecular physics. It’s the kind of book which one can re-read every 10 years. It won the Pulitzer Prize in ‘88 so not exactly unknown, but one of the best ever.
It’s not a war-glorifying book at all, IMHO. Also talks about the effort to deny science to Germany and those who refused to work the project.
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