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Just saw this scrolling through Facebook. I don't know anything about the matter, but my point remains valid: using other people's platforms does not and never will guarantee the safety of your data.

@_elena 's video is extremely relevant: https://tube.bsd.cafe/w/64VuNCccZNrP4u9MfgbhkN

#OwnYourData

@stefano

Somewhere in-between genuine compassion and schadenfreude, there's "brah, you shoulda known."

It's tiring to see people legitimise such terrible platforms by continuing to use them.

@rl_dane @stefano Question is, why are Linux Fans using FaceTube instead of their own Fedi instance? Don't appear to be Linux/Open Source fans to me.

Plenty of forum software out there, surely someone is got the chops and hosting to be able to deal with low flow traffic (indicated by the actual ability to moderate, according to them).
@Tubsta @stefano @rl_dane
Exactly my first thought as well! 😀

@hikingdude @Tubsta @stefano

Well, there was a time that facebook was a fun place to be. And lots of FOSS friends are still on their because of inertia.

I don't know if anyone remembers this, but circa 2008-2010, we used to call "facebook" "crackbook," because it was so addictive and enjoyable to use.

That was such a different era.

@stefano Meta did it well. If you are really a Linux user you cannot have a group in that shit called Facebook. They should have been thinking about it! Now they know. 😐
@stefano A bunch of trans groups, including transgender shitposting and several of its moderators, all got nuked too. They say it was a mistake but have gotten zero word on anything being restored.
@stefano
I don't think they should complain if they use Facebook. ...
@stefano @_elena I was one of the members. Really regret it.
@RazvanNicolescu02 @_elena can you confirm it was a good group, well moderated, etc?
@stefano @_elena yes, excellent community, moderated, but not too much, incredibly informative and a good source of inspiration.

@stefano @_elena

They say this like they are surprised. I’m always mystified why people use Facebook or exclusively create content for YouTube. It’s like they don’t understand they can yank it. They can control it. They can delete it at any point, and you have no recourse at all.

@kbsez @_elena unfortunately, many people underestimate this
@stefano @kbsez @_elena I think there is no perfect solution for this. Even in Fediverse an admin can decide from one day to another to remove accounts or to completely stop the service. The only thing that prevents you from this is running your own instance.
@NebulaTide @kbsez @_elena sure. But at least you can do it, here.
@NebulaTide @stefano @kbsez @_elena that's why we're trying to semi-learn how to move our websites to our local computer. We seem to close. We're on our last steps to get Apache working after upgrading to Php 8.3 - We couldn't have gotten this far without ChatGPT - lol
@NebulaTide you'd think a Linux fan group with 350k members could run their own instance on top of a kubernetes cluster in a docker container in an obscure BSD host ... @stefano @kbsez @_elena

@otte_homan @stefano @kbsez @_elena

Where did I say this? I just said that you’re always dependent on someone, no matter if it’s a Facebook group or a Fediverse instance, as long as you’re not running your own instance. I don’t see where I suggested to run a group like this on a raspberry pi 😉

@NebulaTide @stefano @kbsez @_elena On the Fediverse, not only can you run your own server, but you can much more easily move to another server.
@monnier @stefano @kbsez @_elena Yes, but when a server suddenly disappears and you don’t have an export, you start by zero at your new server.
@NebulaTide @monnier @stefano @kbsez @_elena Exactly. This point has always been troubling me, but in the end there’s no silver bullet. I imagine for non-dev people it can be a real deal-breaker though.
@stefano
Feel bad for them, but to add to your point: doing work like moderation for a group like this, and even joining and posting is doing unpaid work for Meta. @_elena
@stib @stefano @_elena Yes! Likewise contributing to open source projects run by Microsoft, Google, etc.
@stefano @_elena Why is it so hard to get people off of these platforms even as they watch this stuff just happen over and over?
@nazokiyoubinbou @stefano @_elena being in there is how you reach people to get them out

@Bredroll @stefano @_elena I have yet to see that work. You're just hurting yourself and benefiting the awful people running them along the way. Heck, they probably lower your posts in their algorithms anyway...

I don't know what the answer is, but staying on there even as they get worse and worse hoping you can get others to leave is not the answer.

@Bredroll @nazokiyoubinbou @stefano @_elena if that were the intent, I would generally expect posts like this to be inundated with links to the also-active off-Facebook communities, where organizing to regain it can happen naturally.

I haven't seen a single one yet, and this is a pretty active thread, with multiple apparent members participating. just this *Facebook post screenshot*.

I get the "go to where your people are" part, really. but it's *Facebook*.

@nazokiyoubinbou @stefano @_elena
Convenience? 😕
Or, if the majority of content producers don't move, there's no reason to move

@hikingdude @stefano @_elena There are multitudes of reasons, not the least of which being that Facebook does horrible things to you. Not just your data. You. Like when they manipulated people to be more upset and some committed suicide. Given that they're still manipulating people via "the algorithm" now, it can only be concluded that they cared only about the bottom line and simply decided to find a better balance since if they lose people it affects profits.

But also, all your data is indeed being stolen and sold/manipulated as they will for their benefits and not yours.

So yes, it may be harder to move on, but it is NECESSARY to do so. And content providers will leave too if there is no audience. A key part of being a provider is having someone there to provide to.

@stefano @_elena

Easy to talk about boycotting the bastards, hard to do it when they're allowed to monopolize fucking everything.

I'm not saying you're wrong; just saying it's hard to do. The bastards made sure of it.

@FatherEnoch @stefano @_elena Hm, why didn't the group stick to NNTP? 🤔
M Schommer (@musevg@infosec.exchange)

Sporadic reminder to do a #backup of your #Mastodon account (i.e. request an #archive from your instance)! Even in the Fediverse servers crash and instance admins turn rogue, and all of a sudden you may be left with nothing but the last archive.org snapshot of your account, so... request your archives, folks!

Infosec Exchange

@musevg true, I should set up a bi-monthly reminder to do it

@stefano @musevg

I wonder if there is an easy way to automate this. By easy I mean something that doesn’t require my own instance or installing some other container image to do the downloads for me.

@stefano @_elena Time to take back control! You're Linux guys, after all, and do know better.

But, on the upside, you already found the way to Fediverse.

@dazzr guessing that half of the 350k fans are the kids that basically only install yet another new distro on their overspec'ed gaming laptop every week ... @stefano @_elena

@stefano a group with 350 thousand members seems unfathomable. 😳

I've heard about multiple such group deletions. Honestly these groups are the only thing I miss. They remain the only game in town after FB killed all mailing lists and web forums. It's odd now seeing them going against their own prey^Husers.

@stefano Didn't Meta fairly recently (within the last year or so) classify Linux as some sort of contraband? I don't remember if they had it down as spam, malware or something else, but it was definitely one major online platform classifying discussions about Linux as something like that, and I'm quite sure it was one of Meta's.

Yes. It's your own data. Own your data. Data you own.

@_elena

@mkj @stefano @_elena They use a lot of open source software on the backend, so it seems unlikely Facebook did this out of ideological opposition to Linux, per se.
@foolishowl @mkj @stefano @_elena Meta runs on Linux pretty much entirely, so yeah.. whoever doesn't know that needs to know that.
@mkj it wasn't contraband, and it was only the page of one blog (the blog lied about it and said it was Linux)
@stefano @_elena
@stefano if only they knew someone who could have set up a server instead of using Facebook… 🙄
@stefano I can only feel sad for people that set their own standing above highly toxic behavior of their platforms. They simply don't care and make business as usual, ignoring all facts and news. They could've stand up, used their voice to rebel or search for another place, coordinated and calmly. Instead they said "I don't care, I'm not affected", until they are - then they scream for help and how cruel the world is to them.
Sorry, but I don't get the point.
@stefano guessing Seguin didn't read the ~1000 pages of TS and C's of meta before creating the group? @_elena
@stefano @_elena They were warned. It happened in January 2025, something about Malicious Software. If it happened once it could happen again. https://www.pcmag.com/news/facebook-accidentally-blocks-users-from-posting-about-linux
This has been going on for at least a few months. Some Facebook pages for high profile Linux blogs got taken down, I forget which ones now. Despite Facebook being heavy users and even contributors to Linux, the word Linux seems to have made it on to a list of banned "hacker related" words in their internal moderation systems...

CC: @_elena@mastodon.social
Facebook flags Linux topics as 'cybersecurity threats' — posts and users being blocked

DistroWatch is one of the largest affected organizations.

Tom's Hardware
@sam this article is wrong, it wasn't Linux it was the page of a single blog. And the part they mentioned users because of Linux ended up being bs.
@_elena

@stefano @_elena

How does an org own their own data today? Not only do all Social Media Apps feel free to separate users from their data with no repercussions, so too can and do all Cloud hosting companies, whether free or paid.
The only way for an org to truly own their own data is build out a server farm in someone’s garage!

Welcome back to 1980!

@crashdive @_elena Not exactly. We can still buy/rent servers in datacenters and manage them. It's not hard, it's not dangerous. They've fundamentally convinced us that we're obligated to pay for "cloud services" to access essential functionalities, touting SaaS as a beneficial model, and so forth. However, from my perspective, any solution that locks us into a particular offering or vendor will inevitably, at some point, become our confinement.
@stefano @_elena

Facebook HAVE helped you, folks. Helped to wean you out of their clutches.

Never ceases to surprise me when Linux people, folks you'd think would know better than to trust giant corporations, keep putting all their eggs in corporate-owned baskets.

E.g. they've got loads of their software stored on Github: the platform owned by Microsoft, the corp that spent 20 years trying to kill them. No sir, nothing could possibly go wrong there in the age of Corporatist Fascism...

@stefano @_elena

This is so FAFO it borders on idiocy

@stefano @_elena Everyone with any sense should delete Meta.
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