Laurence Tratt

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Shopify / Royal Academy of Engineering Research Chair in Language Engineering.
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pizauth-1.0.11 is out, and ensures it keeps retrying in the face of transitory HTTP errors https://tratt.net/laurie/src/pizauth/
Laurence Tratt: pizauth

@shriramk @jfdm @csgordon @lindsey @jeremysiek @[email protected] A challenge -- which I think we're seeing from many people in this thread! -- is that in recent years we (speaking broadly) have magnified Certification as an outcome relative Education _and_ conflated the two together in ours and, often, students' minds. New technology might have undermined how we do Certification right now; perhaps that will also encourage us to change how we do Education?
Sometimes the best way to predict the future is to wait and see what happens.
@ianthetechie @pervognsen I think this is overstating it. LLMs can do very different things to even the best IDE / LSP. Whether those things turn out to be useful over time is, IMHO, something we will find out in due course.
@pervognsen Before good code navigation, I think the short term costs were surprisingly high. I remember working out the (approximate) productivity of programmers in the "Java Enterprise Beans" era and it was not pretty (in no small part because looking up what boilerplate was needed was hard). But I agree, short term boilerplate costs have been on a downwards trajectory for some time even before LLMs.
@david_chisnall Indeed, that's one of the things that might just be shunted to the future. Or their understanding may improve to the point that that they catch all (or nearly all) the hard cases. Some people are implicitly making big bets on the good case happening, and they may well end up being right, but I think only time will tell!
One of the interesting consequences of LLMs/agents is that the short-term costs of boilerplate in code have plummeted. An interesting question is whether those costs are simply shunted to the future or whether they are permanently reduced.
@wingo @eqrion Problem solved!
@wingo You want four, or more?
It seems that I have been blessed with my first clawdbot (or similar) interactions on one of my repositories. I really hope this sort of noise doesn't end up (a) wasting maintainer's time (b) putting people off trying the underlying technology where it's actually useful.