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Oh no. I was raised homeschooled in a conservative charasmatic household. I saw the title of that wiki post and was afraid it was associated with Peter Wagner and the books my dad reads.
Sure enough, it is. 😬🤢
> You are NOT marching to the beat of any music. You are marching to the tempo of the platoon leader.
This is incorrect on many accounts. Platoon leaders do not call cadence, NCOs do. They call cadence while standing to the side of the formation.
But for parades, usually a band with drummers will keep a cadence. We see no cadence caller for this formation.
I mentioned music because from what I heard from friends who were messaging me about it in real time, there was music playing that was competing with the cadence from the drum.
In the parade, the officers are usually in the front of the formation with the unit guide-on and will call orders, but they aren't calling orders. It is entirely possible for those at the rear of the formation to not be able to hear the calls from the front, but they should easily be able to see the guide-on movement when "eyes right" is called.
> And those butterbars don't have shit on the NCO Corps.
The cadets are not butter bars. The cadets do not yet have commissions.
@YakyuNightOwl @DEDGirl @MiriShuli @stoner
I feel like I did when I said,
"I wouldn't read into it too much."
But I guess I could have been more direct.
@DEDGirl @MiriShuli @YakyuNightOwl @stoner
>You are trying really hard to argue that our army are incapable of marching in a parade.
This is a straw man.
I'm not arguing the Army is incapable of marching in a parade.
I'm saying we should be cautious about implying people who were out of step or failed to salute the president were doing so out of intentional insubordination.
There are many factors that could contribute to the poor performance:
- inexperience with the nuance of holding a filmed parade.
- staff failure to plan
- insufficient time to prepare
- lack of mitigation for competing sounds that drown out cadence (loud music, vehicles, etc)
- lack of experience or inability to see to follow flag signals when they cannot hear commands. (Could they even see the guidons to know to do eyes right?)
We know they specifically didn't wear dress uniforms, which is already an odd choice. It seems like the Army from the top down didn't really care very much about this (and I'm not saying they should have).
Let's not paint targets on individual people for being out of step.
@DEDGirl @MiriShuli @YakyuNightOwl @stoner
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPcQAI3i8OQ
Cadets and midshipmen are active duty service members in service academies studying in four year degree programs training to become officers.
They spend an offensively high number of hours each year practicing for parades. And yet we can still easily find Army Navy videos of them out of step.
@oldladyplays @Bwaz @futurebird
We don't have audio. Is there a clear cadence that is audible? It looks like the front left lead adjusted his stride and it threw the formation off. Towards the end of the GIF, they start to fall back into sync.
As a control, let's cherry pick a video of very-well-rehearsed cadets for Army Navy march on. Take note of how they look when the drum is loud vs. when it's not there.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPcQAI3i8OQ
Obviously if the Army cared more they could have made this look sharp. There are a lot of factors that contribute to a lack of motivation, including the overall context.
But I'm very cautious to paint targets on service members who were filmed being out of step and frame it as insubordination. Unlike you, they could lawfully suffer punitive action if you're right.
>If anyone is foolish enough to argue that they saw soldiers excited for their moment in the spotlight, and not a demoralized bunch, I don't know what to tell them.
This is a straw man. I did not assert that they were excited. I didn't assert that morale was high. I think I actually said the opposite.
I specifically cautioned about asserting an intentional snub by service members to the president.
There is a color guard specifically because it takes time and effort to make a parade look good for a camera.
@DEDGirl @MiriShuli @YakyuNightOwl @stoner
> Are you seriously arguing that the US Army are so sloppy they can’t even walk in sync like in every other country?
Take a look at the Army Navy march-on videos for a frame of reference. Both schools rehearse every year.
West Point has a parade before every home football games and rehearse twice each week for several hours before the games. They also practice probably four or five times in the week prior to the actual televised event. That's easily 50+ hours per person. Hundreds of thousands of cumulative hours in rehearsal. There is a very clear drum cadence to follow and no competing noises (music, engines, etc).
I would describe that as the optimal setting for four thousand people to perform a parade together. And yet, you will still be able to find clips of them looking like garbage. Things happen. People get out of step. One person messes up and it throws the entire formation off for a handful of beats.
You're underestimating the effort that goes into proper parades. This isn't a platoon marching together. That's easy. I would be upset if the Army was wasting hundreds of thousands of hours practicing parades.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Is it that color guards are more rehearsed at drill and ceremony than your average Army battalion?
@MiriShuli @YakyuNightOwl @stoner
Yeah then you know it's completely absurd to suggest that any operational unit with a real mission does that monthly. Competing in drill competitions is not what the regular Army does. There are drill teams who practice it, but no normal unit with a real mission is wasting time practicing counter columns outside of initial entry training.