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Oh, absolutely. I’m just trying to use it as a marker to try to figure out where the goal posts should be for what we are calling “middle class.”
I have a friend who works in central Ontario for a fortune 500 and they take home ~80k/year, and I’ve considered them and their family middle class for a while, but they also were telling me that they’re overextended and struggling to keep up on interest payments…while also being denied a consolidation loan. So maybe they are not really middle class…?
What qualifies as “middle class” these days? Roughly 24% of Ontario public sector workers are on the sunshine list. While this doesn’t give us a ton of insight into the private sector, this would still suggest that if we say the 19% is the middle class that to be middle class you have to be making more than $100k/year…
Not trying to argue, just trying to understand where the goalposts are.
Of course, the men’s room is just always covered in urine. Old men and young kids miss, even people with aim splash back out of the toilet enough to get it on the walls/floor/under the urinals.
I don’t know what happened to them, but it used to be where I live that the bathroom would have floor-to-belly-height urinals and the entire bathroom floor would be gently sloped towards them, and the walls would be tiled to the same height.
This meant that cleanup could be done by blasting everything with industrial detergent/disinfectant and literally power washing it all into the urinal drains.
Now in New construction I only see the wall mounted urinals, and a floor drain in the middle to meet code requirements, but often the cleaners don’t know that they have to put water into that drain to prevent it evaporating out and letting sewer gasses flow into the room (ew.)
Overall a downgrade for both staff and visitors.
Nope. If someone is inside my home and is an armed & immediate threat, I think I should be able to use whatever force necessary to protect myself and my family from that threat. If that person leaves my home, they’re no longer an immediate threat to me, are they? In the example you gave, the person that died was no longer an immediate threat.
In any case, it’s pretty clear that you aren’t interested in discussing nuance for the topic at hand, but rather “winning.” I’m done here.
No. I think it’s not good faith because your argument was not in any way trying to determine what is reasonable and was instead resorting immediately to extreme edge cases.
No I do not think “any” level of force is justified.
Do I disagree with that ruling? With only the information you’ve provided, no I don’t.
I’m also not interested in adversarial debate, I’m interested in discussion. I’m not trying to win anything here, I’m trying to expand my point of view and better understand how others view the society in which we all live.