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what's left when a left hereditarian rejects welfare?

https://awful.systems/post/5400380

what's left when a left hereditarian rejects welfare? - awful.systems

This Bruenig follow up [https://mattbruenig.com/2025/08/23/dissecting-my-recent-argument-are-error-theories-offensive/] to his recent drubbing of Kelsey Piper was entertaining, but it got me thinking about just what she is now gesturing at. > She contends that cash welfare does not really help much. She presents a few recent studies showing null results for cognitive and health outcomes. She doesn’t present an explicit framework for evaluating whether a particular welfare policy is good, but implicitly adopts an evaluative framework that says welfare programs can be deemed good or bad by looking at the extent to which they promote human capital and related indicators. > I argue that we should look to the more traditional goals of the welfare state: eradicating class difference and social alienation, reducing inequality and leveling living standards, compressing and smoothing income and consumption, providing workers and individuals refuge and independence from coercion by reducing economic dependence on the labor market and the family, among other things. Now the frame Piper used was relatively banal in the neoliberal era. Everything was about “equality of opportunity, not outcome.” But wait a minute, isn’t Piper in an IQ-obsessed cult? I thought genetic differences determine people’s human capital, and that she was one of the good ones that says “yes and” we should throw a few bones at the dullards for their misfortune. She’s also a market fundamentalist that presumably understands that her preferred political economic arrangements lead to ever greater pre-transfer inequality. When you start with a left hereditarian and take away their commitment to welfare, because in certain RCTs it doesn’t change people’s human capital enough (a thing they believe is mostly immutable), what does that make her?

I missed our friend Kelsey Piper joining the fray deep in this quote tweet thread and crashing out defending Big Yud: xcancel.com/KelseyTuoc/…/1954785099964383313

Epistemic certainty on Gaza at critical low, pride of ignorance higher than ever!

https://awful.systems/post/5257915

Epistemic certainty on Gaza at critical low, pride of ignorance higher than ever! - awful.systems

The rats would love to have a coherent position on the Palestinian genocide but there’s just no one from the polycule that’s written about it in their nerd blogs so they’re all going to have to continue rejecting all evidence. After being admonished by Paul Graham for baselessly questioning the veracity of a Palestinian child saying goodbye to their dying father, Yud writes [https://xcancel.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1954397565077623126] > Why do you believe that any of this is true? Serious question. I haven’t been able to find any blog with two serious nerds fighting it out, each side says the other side’s stuff is all fake, and each side has compelling instances of other-side stuff being fake. Aella too finds this [https://xcancel.com/Aella_Girl/status/1954709625691148769] all very confusing due to the low IQ of everyone with an opinion > I do really wish someone smart and good at critical thinking would sit down and invest a lot of research into which claims by both sides are accurate and which are propaganda. This would be so good for the world Nathan Young is also Spartacus [https://x.com/NathanpmYoung/status/1954433626348638236], and none of your mean taunts to “open a newspaper” will change that > I respect Eliezer’s public confusion here. I too am confused and struggling to find good sources to understand Gaza. > > Nor does people yelling at me make me believe them more. The important thing is that they are actually very open minded and unbiased and will figure this all out someday when the mass graves are exhumed.

Perhaps present-day humans are more obviously aided by questioning literally any aspect of hyper-capital. Better to cast out to the far future and insist (without any real basis) that fellating billionaires is the best course.
Perhaps the beneficiaries of the most efficient public health interventions (the previous focus of the movement) are somehow more difficult for them to identify with…

the [simulated] are a convenient group of people to advocate for

https://awful.systems/post/1072949

the [simulated] are a convenient group of people to advocate for - awful.systems

I read this quote today, and it resonated: > "The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn. - David Barbary, Methodist pastor [https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10357009-the-unborn-are-a-convenient-group-of-people-to-advocate] It certainly rings true for white American evangelicals, but it quickly occurred to me it applies pretty well to longtermists too. Centering the well-being of far-future simulated super-humans repulses me, but it seems very compelling to the majority of the EA cult.

a riddle: why do people who hate reading books thrive on impenetrably long essays?

https://awful.systems/post/796096

a riddle: why do people who hate reading books thrive on impenetrably long essays? - awful.systems

One of the first things about the LW crowd is how they just absolutely drown you in prose, from EY to SSC on down. There are several tactical advantages to this style for a group that is concerned foremost with winning debates, so it makes sense. I and many others find their refusal to edit off-putting and so don’t engage, but I suppose that’s part of the point too, to self-select a readership of freaks who put the work in to digest your entire stream of conscience. But, it just occurred to me this morning, the readers of this drivel are often the same exact SV/STEM grads who don’t just read fewer books than they should (who among us), but denigrate the activity as useless. They want the cliff’s notes of any idea outside of their hothouse, but have endless attention for each other’s first draft ramblings about any subject under the sun. What explains this? How can someone with the (quite typical) obliterated attention span that prevents them from picking up an adult book slog through HPMOR or even like the average Scott Alexander post? Does it just calm down their addled brains to see “epistemic certainty: 37%” at the beginning of a tome?