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@baruch please refrain from excusing ethnic cleansing.

@baruch if you actually cared about compassion, you'd have said a single thing mourning the deaths of over 10,000 Palestinian civilians - half of them children - in the last few weeks. No, I'm not missing the point at all.

I was heartbroken after Hamas' awful attack. Nauseous for days. I remember feeling similarly horrified after 9/11. But also like 9/11, my compassion for the lives shattered on 10/7 doesn't in any way justify the war crimes now being committed by their government in their names.

Your refusal to even admit that war crimes are war crimes is the point.

@baruch they're right. It's a false equivalence to compare Hamas' brutal murder of 1,400 civilians with Israel's killing of over 10,000.

@baruch disgusting.

Since you like quoting international law, go ahead and show me the part where it says "it's not ethnic cleansing if it's in self defense".

Genocide is never necessary.

@baruch your hypocritical and blatantly disingenuous defense of ethnic cleansing is disgusting. Your Orwellian equivalency between "protection" and "ethnic cleansing" is a revolting false dichotomy with no place in the world. Your argument is disgraceful and anti-Jewish.

"Never again" means not by anybody. Not even a little. And especially not by us.

@baruch I did. Like I said, the Responsibility to Protect doesn't say a single word about requiring countries to bomb, invade, ethnically cleanse, or otherwise commit war crimes in the name of protecting their citizens.

What it actually says is that "the international community... has the responsibility to use appropriate DIPLOMATIC, HUMANITARIAN, and other PEACEFUL MEANS to help protect populations from genocide, [etc]".

That's as specific as the law gets about what kinds of actions nations are expected to engage in.

Weird how it doesn't say anything at all about bombing civilians.

@serge @aelliotpr @calispera @baruch

What Hamas does or doesn't desire has no bearing at all on whether Israeli leadership orders the military to commit war crimes or genocide, nor does it bear on whether individual IDF personnel follow those orders.

There is no caveat in international law that allows war crimes if a nation is attacked by terrorists. None. There are no exceptions.

@serge @aelliotpr @calispera @baruch

Calling bullshit on all of that. There is no international law requiring a country to invade or bomb cities, drop white phosphorus, or displace millions of people for any reason.

It's childish and petty to try and blame another person or group for your own awful behavior, and it's even worse when you use that rhetoric to defend blatant war crimes.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinians-forced-gaza-egypt-israel-proposal-outrage-rcna122934

Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon

Israel’s use of white phosphorus in military operations in Gaza and Lebanon puts civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries, Human Rights Watch said today in releasing a question and answer document on white phosphorus.

Human Rights Watch
@DanielleSATM @VPS_Reports The IDF can't conduct air strikes on a city and claim to be doing their best to avoid civilian causalities. Hamas' attack was awful, but war crimes don't justify war crimes. Israel didn't actually have to kill 10,000 people and counting. It's an option to not to that.
@dissent I think we were mutuals on the other site, so.. me?