@nafnlaus @raumfahrttutnot Early Tesla was like "we have to save the planet" which became "we need to be profitable first" now engineers like it because, similar to SpaceX, if you have good ideas you're going to do well and from the get go, not fetching coffee like an intern at a legacy company. I'm not an engineer, I did work with many when I was in QC/QA for 16 years (wire & cable) and worked together with R&D. They were weird, crusty and leaned Right.